Message # 20597 alt.alien.visitors
From: legion@werple.apana.org.au (John Stepkowski)
Date: 4 Feb 1994 06:07:59 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Subject: Apollo Astronauts and UFOs? 1/3
With the recent discussion of claims that Apollo astronauts saw "UFOs" on
the moon, I thought the following posts might be of interest....
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"Moonfive.txt"
To commemorate the 22nd anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon
landing on July 20, 1969, The "Oprah Winfrey" show invited five
Apollo astronauts into an open-studio forum to talk about their
moon experiences, both during the mission and afterwards.
What they had to say about their missions, UFOs and extra-
terrestrials in general is worth repeating, particularly in
light of the many "stories" attributed to the Apollo
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astronauts.
The astronauts taking part were:
Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin: Apollo 11 mission. Touchdown: Sea of
Tranquility, July 20, 1969. The second man on the moon.
Alan "Al" Bean: Apollo 12. Touchdown: Ocean of Storms, November
19, 1969.
Edgar "Ed" Mitchell: Apollo 14. Touchdown: Fra Mauro, February
5, 1971.
James "Jim" Irwin: Apollo 15. Touchdown: Hadley Rille, July
30, 1971.
Charles Duke: Apollo 16. Touchdown: Descartes Highlands, April
21, 1972.
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OPRAH:
Ed, did going to the moon increase your feelings
about psychic phenomena?
MITCHELL:
Mmmm, no, not really.
OPRAH:
No, you always believed it...
MITCHELL:
Put it into different terms. Those are old, old
words, by the way. Let's use the word "intuition..."
OPRAH:
Okay.
MITCHELL
...And how does information flow. And yeah, I became very
interested in that at that point.
OPRAH:
Yeah. I'm an intuitive-based person. I do everything based
on intuition. Do you too?
MITCHELL:
No. I'm a more linear thinker, I've had to develop
the intuition...
OPRAH:
Not me, I don't go for the linear too much...
MITCHELL:
(laughs) ...It's to learn how to get the balance, to get both
of them; but the point of the investigations of the things
I've been interested in; we know how our five senses work, but
you're an intuitive person, most everybody's intuitive to a
greater or lesser extent. Where does that information come
from? Where does intuitive information come from?
OPRAH:
Uh-huh. Where do you think it comes from?
MITCHELL:
Well, we're starting to understand some "models" for
it. Jung called it the "collective unconscious", there's
information out here. It's kind of like a field and we just
kind of tune into it and there it is. At least that is what
the modern thinking is.
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Message # 20598 alt.alien.visitors
From: legion@werple.apana.org.au (John Stepkowski)
Date: 4 Feb 1994 06:15:00 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Subject: Apollo Astronauts and UFOs? 2/3
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OPRAH:
When you were "out there", did you sense that there
were other "beings" -- not necessarily human -- also "out
there"? James...?
IRWIN:
I never sensed anything out at the moon or even beyond
the moon. I don't know (why) I get that question a lot,
because they think now we're experts on extra-terrestrial
life, but I say I don't think there's extra-terrestrial life
anywhere. I think the Earth is the only place where there's
life.
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OPRAH:
You still think that?
IRWIN:
I still believe that.
OPRAH:
You all think that?
MITCHELL:
No, I disagree completely.
OPRAH:
You don't think that, Ed?
MITCHELL:
No, I think the universe is so magnificent and so huge, and,
uh, there is an intelligence base in the universe. And I can't
conceive of this being the only planet in the universe with
intelligent life...
OPRAH:
Intelligent life...
MITCHELL:
...I think that there's intelligent life throughout the
universe, we just haven't discovered it yet.
OPRAH:
My intuition tells me that too, Ed. Buzz, what do you say?
ALDRIN:
Ed may feel a little bit more certain about that. I'm not
sure what's going to happen. It certainly looks as though the
odds are that there are a lot more opportunites out there than
we thought before, and I'd be very surprised -- and it may
even happen in our life time -- that we may find out some
evidence of intelligence and it will come because of a
furthering of the space program.
OPRAH:
All right. Alan...
BEAN:
Well I think there's probably life out there. But someone
said, or computed, that the number of bodies in the universe
are about as dense as two chipmunks in all of North America.
And so for us to go and find -- let's say we're one of the
chipmunks and we're trying to find one of the others in all of
North America -- it's going to be hard to do.
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Message # 20599 alt.alien.visitors
From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:15:39 GMT
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Subject: Re: My UFO experience
Matthew Williams (Matthew_Williams@empyr.dircon.co.uk) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
: She told X that she knew that Y's girlfriend was into Spiritualism and
: suspected that she was also into Ouija boards. X told Y this and together
[more stuff deleted]
SpiritUALism shouldn't be conneted to usage of the Ouija boards.
Spiritism could.
// Wil
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Message # 20600 alt.alien.visitors
From: legion@werple.apana.org.au (John Stepkowski)
Date: 4 Feb 1994 06:21:51 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Subject: Apollo Astronauts and UFOs? 3/3
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ALDRIN:
Tough job...
BEAN:
So, I believe they're out there too, but we're not going to
find them any time soon, and we may never find them, because
of just the fact that they're so far, far apart. If we look
at all the stars out there, there's probably planets around
them, but which one do we go to? And if we go to that one,
even the nearest one takes four and a half years, come back in
nine...
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ALDRIN:
At the speed of light...
BEAN:
That's right. Then go to the next one, takes another fifty
years, out and back...
OPRAH:
Yeah, I'm not THAT interested...
BEAN:
So it's going to be a tough job...
OPRAH:
...I've got things to do here.
BEAN:
...It'd be better if they came here.
ALDRIN:
Yeah, it'd be better if they came here.
OPRAH:
That's how I feel about it. Charles?
DUKE:
I didn't sense any life out in space, personally.
OPRAH:
Never saw anybody..?
DUKE:
Never saw anybody, no UFOs, nothing like that. But I agree
with Jim. I think that we are -- human life -- is unique in
the universe, and I think that's here on Earth. I believe in
spiritual life. The scripture does talk about Heaven and Hell
and spiritual life, life after death, but it doesn't refer to
anything out in space. So I agree with Jim.
[At this point, questions were taken from the audience. A
nervous young man asked the following question:- ]
MAN:
Um yes. Do you feel that the Government hides anything from
us? For example, you see all these stories about people that
say they've been abducted and raped -- women that've been
raped -- and they say that it's a real factual story and that
tons of people have seen it...
OPRAH:
By ETs? What paper was this is in?
MAN:
Did you see that show (where) they said the lights were coming
down and the police were out watching...? Do you think that
the Government hides any of that?
DUKE:
No, I don't. Not in NASA. We were completely open. We
couldn't even have a private conversation without it being
blasted out to the world. I remember John (Young) and I were
talking and we had a problem with, uh, our microphone stuck
open and he was cussing and it went out to everybody. No
bleeps!
OPRAH:
Ed, what do you say, you're shaking your head?
MITCHELL:
Well, I agree with what Charlie is saying about the NASA
program -- there was nothing at all hidden in that -- but I
do believe that there's a lot more known about, uh,
extra-terrestrial investigation than is available to the
public right now; has been for a long time.
OPRAH:
And why do you think it's kept from the public?
MITCHELL:
Oh well, that's a long, long story. It goes back to World
War II when all of that happened, and highly classified stuff.
ALDRIN:
It makes for great book-selling...
MITCHELL:
Yeah...
IRWIN:
And newspapers, too.
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