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From: asljl@orion.alaska.edu (Lady-Rhavyn)

Subject: Government and Psi

Date: 1 Dec 94 18:42:50 AST

Organization: University of Alaska

Message-ID: <1994Dec1.184250.1@orion.alaska.edu>

This was sent to me from someone.. sometime ago

I got this from the Fortean Research Center BBS. Most

interesting to note is

that our own Attorney General, Ms. Reno attended. Who

knows what treats

we are in store for as far as domestic crowd & riot control

goes?

I received the following brochure from a source who

wishes to remain

anonymous along with the instructions to post it on the

computer networks

immediately. It concerns an upcoming classified

Conference at Johns Hopkins

University on Non-Lethal Technology and is sponsored by

Los Alamos

National Laboratory. The featured speakers are to be the

Nobel Laureate

physicist, Dr. Edward Teller; the Former Military Advisor

to President Bush,

LTG Richard G. Trefry, USA (Ret.), and the current

Secretary General of the

United States, Janet Reno. The conference is to be chaired

by Dr. John

Alexander, the Program Manager for Non-Lethal Defense,

Los Alamos

National Laboratory.

The brochure itself looks to be authentic and carried no

indication of being

in any way classified or restricted (if it is I guess I'll find

out soon enough).

If anyone can confirm this event I'd appreciate hearing

from them.

Bob Dunn

P.O. Box 94627

Lincoln, Ne. 68509

Fidonet 1:285/205

BEGIN TEXT

NON-LETHAL DEFENSE

a classified Conference sponsored by

Los Alamos National Laboratory

With the support of the American Defense Preparedness

Association

Kossiakoff Center

Applied Physics Laboratory

Johns Hopkins University, Laurel MD

November 16 - 17, 1993

OBJECTIVE AND SCOPE

Non-lethal defense has emerged as a potent new means

of applying force

and giving commanders a wider array of options. The

purpose of a non-

lethal defense is to inhibit an enemies ability to prosecute

a war or engage in

other hostile actions. Non-lethal defense is an approach

that explores options

for attacking targets of strategic value, including

nontraditional foes such as

terrorists and international drug traffickers.

Non-lethal weapons offer new options to meet rapidly

changing security

requirements for the United States. These devices are

providing for the first

time a wide range of choices for planners negotiating the

drastically

changing security challenges confronting the United

States.

Non-lethal concepts are currently being developed by th

U.S. Army, Air

Force, Navy and Marine Corps. The focus is on providing

technologies that

support conventional operations and have applicability

across the continuum

of conflict. Many of these techniques are designed to

degrade the threat

infrastucture in support of parallel warfare objectives.

Different organizations have different approaches to the

concept of non-

lethal defense as well as use of different terminology. In

essence, non-lethal

defense is an emerging technological option being

developed conceptionally

with a sea of technical opportunity.

The purpose of this Conference is to bring together

industry, government

and academia to explore the potential of non-lethal

defense and identify

requirements so that the defense community can work

together in

leveraging the non-lethal concept. Industry, particularly,

will benefit from a

more precise understanding of requirements and

operational constraints

regarding non-lethal defense technologies. All attendees

will have the

opportunity to embrace a new perspective in

international relations.

The Conference Sessions Are Secret, U.S. Only.

AGENDA

TUESDAY, 16 NOVEMBER 1993

7:00AM Registration Opens, Kossiakoff Center

Exhibits Open

8:30AM Welcome & Introductory Remarks

MG William E. Eicher, USA (Ret.) Vice

President ADPA.

8:45AM Opening Address

GEN E.C. "Shy" Meyer, USA (Ret.) Former

Chief of Staff,

U.S. Army.

9:15AM Non-Lethal Defense Technology

Dr. John Alexander, Los Alamos

National Laboratory

9:45AM OSD Perspective

TBD

10:15AM Break

10:45AM Peacekeeping & Peace Enforcement

Operations

Ms. Sarah Sewell, Deputy Assistant

Secretary of Defense

for Peacekeeping and Peace

Enforcement

11:15AM National Institute of Justice "Less-Than-

Lethal" Program

Mr. David Boyd, NIJ Director of Research

& Technology

12:00PM Lunch

Speaker: LTG Richard G. Trefry, USA (Ret.)

1:30PM Incremental Aggression: Requirements for the

Future

Dr. Dan Goure, Deputy Director, Political-

Military Studies

CSIS, and Former Director of

Competitive Strategies OSD

2:30PM Break

3:00 - 5:00PM Services & Special Operations

Perspectives

- Army

LTG William H. Forster, USA

Military Assistant to the Assistant

Secretary of the Army,

(Research, Development, & Acquisition)

- Navy

VADM William A. Owens, USN

Chief of Naval Operations (Resources,

Warfare

Requirements & Assesments)

- Air Force

Maj Gen Kenneth Minihan, USAF

Commander, Air Force Intelligence

Command

- Special Operations

GEN Carl Stiner, USA (Ret.) (invited)

Former CINC, Special Operations

Command

6:00PM Reception in the Exhibit Area

Kossiakoff Center

7:00PM Banquet

Guest Speaker: Dr. Edward Teller

WEDNESDAY, 17 NOVEMBER 1993

7:00AM Registration Opens

Exhibits Open

8:30AM Technical Evaluation - Strategies to Tasks

Dr. David Ochmanek, Deputy Assistant

Secretary Defense

for Strategy

9:00AM RF Weapons: A Very Attractive Non-Lethal

Operation

Dr. George Baker, Assistant for Program

Development,

Defense Nuclear Agency

9:30AM ARPA Perspective

Dr. James Richardson, Special Assistant

to the Director

10:00AM Break

10:30AM Future Technology Conference Report

(Quantico, VA 31 Aug-2

Sep 93)

Mr. Steve Small, Arms Program Liaison,

Joint Services

Small Arms Program

10:50AM Simulation & Modelling: Key to Non-Lethal

Weapons

Mr. Andy Andrews, Non-Lethal Project

Leader, Los

Alamos National Laboratory

11:10AM Technology Presentations

- Acoustic Technology

Dr. John Dering, Scientific Applications

Research Associates

(SARA)

- High Power Microwave Technology

Dr. Henry Brisker, U.S. Army Research

Laboratory

- Battlefield Optical Munitions

Dr. Martin Plitch, Los Alamos National

Laboratory

- One Container Sticky Foams

Dr. Peter B. Rand, Sandia National Laboratory

- Application of Extremely Low Frequency

Electromagnetic

Fields to Non-Lethal Weapons

Dr. Clay Easterly, Oak Ridge National

Laboratory

- Non-Lethal Weapons

Dr. Milt Finger, Lawrence Livermore National

Laboratory

12:00PM Lunch

Speaker: The Honorable Janet Reno,

Attorney General of

the United States

1:30PM Technology Presentations

- Voice Synthesis

Dr. Dave Morgan, Lockheed-Sanders

- Airbag Restraint Technology

Ms. Donna Marts, Idaho National Engineering

Laboratory

2:30PM Break

3:00PM Technology Presentations

- Chemical/Biological Anti-Terrorism

Ms. Astrid Lewis, U.S. Army Chemical

Research & Development

Command

- Biological Challenges

Dr. Pat Unkefer, Los Alamos National

Laboratory

- Non-Lethal Research at INEL: Fracture & Dynamic

Behavior,

Biotechnology, & Structural Ceramics

Dr. Jonathan Epstein, Idaho National

Engineering Laboratory

- Contaminant Payloads

Mr. Ed Colston, Naval Surface Weapons Center,

Dahlgren

4:45PM Conference Closes

GENERAL INFORMATION

SECURITY CLEARANCE:

Clearance information must be submitted through each

individual's Security

Office and forwarded to:

Los Alamos National Laboratory

P.O. Box 1663, MS B236

Los Alamos, NM 87545

OR the information may be faxed to (505)667-1368, use

the enclosed

clearance form.

END TEXT

A peice I wrote to a person, it may help some people out there...

Lady R.

Wellcome, and here is is you learn. if you have psi talent whic I dare say it

sounds as though you do, things that leave a presence offten effect the awaken

psi more than those with latent talents that sleeps. The governement is trying

to use to it's benifit yes, but to what extent I cannot say. I would hazzard to

say that you are awakened and in being so have begun to feel the psi that

pulses through our world. Called Psi Radiation, what is left of minds after

they die, and what people with sleeping talents give off from day to day life.

You have to learn to shield your self and seal your home as well...

But not like a metal sheild or a closed mind, it is open and yet the sheild

created filters out the " noise " and doens't effect one so badly, allowing

for a, as much as possible normal life, unless something strong interferes.

Also college campuses are not exactly healthy for a awakened psi. The place I

find is " psychically muddy" filled with much despair, desperation, anguish,

saddness, and stress, sometimes also angry colors as well. A tiring place that

can and does run people like us ragged.

This is what I is what I would like you to do, ( Mind you I am no guru,

nor expert, just speaking from experience )

People with psi must heal themselves in emotion, spirit, soul, heart and mind.

You cannot use your talents to it's potential if you have baggage you haven't

delt with. A good book for the start of self healing is called:

Way Of the Peacful Warrior, by Dan Millman

There are two books after this one, while I admit I have never read it, I have

seen what it has done for some dear people close to my heart. The results from

the reading of this series seems to have healing benifits.

You need a shield. Not an impregnible one or one you can't see around,but one

you that allows you to be safe within your own space in or out of the home.

Lesson 0: Leave what you believe, or think or believe you might think you know

about this relam for the moment and open your mind to new things for a time.

Lesson 1: All is not what it seems, and the world called Mother Earth is truly

alive with the life energy of the planet.

Lesson 2: The " Force " is a real thing, it is not some made up thing. We and

all things are connected through the life force of the planet. It is this which

psi and all other forms of metaphysics draws upon.

Lesson 3: You have within you 8 energy centers called chakras. The places upon

wich they dwell is this:

RED: The chakra upon which you sit. At your tail bone ( Primal Survival Chakra)

ORANGE: The chakra upon where sex organs are ( Primal Survival Chakra )

YELLOW: The chakra where the womb, bladder intestines are ( Primal Survial

Chakra)

GREEN: The Heart and Solar Plexis Chakra

BLUE: The Voice box and communications Chakra

INDIGO: The Third Eye Chakra

PURPLE: This one is centered directly in middle of the skull, called the Brain

center Chakra

WHITE: The chakra right above your head centered over the brain chakra.

Lesson 4: You always draw up from the earth to the " BEING ( GOD/DESS FIGURE of

your choice ) " above in clockwise motion. Never down from " BEING ( GOD/DESS

FIGURE of your choice), the reason being said that you might invite upon

yourself things or spirits from the relam above, where as the energy that flows

beneath us is the energy of the mother earth, pure and clean.

Lesson 5: Patience is the name of the game.

Lesson 6: Now you know and are ready to begin s-l-o-w-l-y! First relax, learn

to let your mind quite, leave if you must and go somewhere where there is

quiet, a beach or a lake, or in the woods or somewhere quiet. Just listen to

the world around you... let the days or nights happens just melt into the

Earth. Lay down if you want. Now placing your hands palms down flat on the

ground...Take Three Deep Breaths, In the mouth out the nose, pausing for a

count of three between inhaling and exhaling. Fill your lungs and feel your

heart beating. Try to feel the pulse in your chest and other parts of your

body. Do this until it becomes easy to do without hard concentration.

Lesson 7: WRITE DOWN YOUR DREAMS AND GET A GOOD DREAM DICTIONARY!

Lesson 8: Ok, after what I hope has been a couple of weeks of learning to relax

and breathing and getting to KNOW yourself. You are ready for the bubble

effect. Your body is like a battery, positve and negative poles. You can form

through you a bubble of energy from the " force " This can be used in time as a

shield, but first you have to learn how to build it, then you can add to it's

size, and what jobs you want it to do, or surround you.

Now remember up from mother earth, through you to the " All that Is ( as I call

it)" above your head....

Start with the breathing, in mouth and out nose, you can breath a little less

deeper after three so you don't get dizzy. Now place your hands wide apart,

palms facing eachother. Your arms should be resting at about a 90 degree angle

just about the bottom of your ribs or so. ( some people do have longer arms

than others ) Your hands should be about foot apart. Now imagine that your body

is a battery, ( by the way sit down on the ground or floor to fo this,

preferably indian style ) Mother Earth is one side of the connection, the " All

that Is" the other connection, like a flashlight.

Don't forget to do the breathing...

Ok now imagine mother earth connecting to you, amd through you each chakra

connect to the next, first Mother Earth to Red, then red to orange, then Red

Orange, Yellow, to Green, then Red, orange, yellow, green to blue to indigo to

purple to white....

end part 1

Then next part is on it's way.... I want to be sure I don't have to retype

this by getting kicked off the modem by an incoming call....

Blessed Be Lady Rhavyn

I am not bragging here, and by all means I am not a expert, these are only

things I have observed about myself and things that I am aware of.. I thought I

would add it to answer one of the questions which tends to be " Who the Hell

ARE you?"

Lady R.

First psi is not a power it's an ability within the human being. but as

to the extent and capability of my own psi ability?

Well let's get started.... I will be sending something I give to all people who

write to me and want to to know how do I do it!

Let's start with the least and go to the strong

Emapthy: I was a good one about 4 years ago, but lack of knowledge and in

ability to deal with it, caused a burn out, or rather a receeding of the

ability. It has begun to surface again, but is very intermittent and very

unreliable.

Telepathy: I can " send loudly " so I have been told, but I can recieve very

little. Some time I do " hear " but very rarely and it's not a strong ability

Dream Precognition: Minor, intermittent... not reliable

Telekenesis: Well I either have Angles on my shoulders or it kicks in when I am

in danger. Proof of this is four car accidents where the car bent around me,

and I have no visual or physical damage..

Psychometry: Minor flashes, not very accurate, but enough to notice.

Awake Precogntion: Sometimes I know something is going to happen before it does

because I get a flash of what is about to occur... sometimes it's only

intuition and feeling, sometimes it's the full lenghth feature film.

Telepathy with animals: Decent, Animals think is picture and feeling

so it's easy to understand them if you take the time to listen, and they can

receive also...

Remote Viewing: Now this is my strongest talent. I have been to England, and I

have been to california.. with out BEING there. The mind had the ability to

fold time and space, this is what happens when remote viewing occurs.

I am 80 nto 90 percent accurate... so I have been told...

Using cards I get about 40 to 50 percent right... average I think

Well there's that, now you know, it's your turn....

Blessed Be!

Lady Rhavyn

Okay, now for what little I can contribute. First the disclaimer. This data is

at least six years old, and may be EXTREMELY out of date. I have no

paperwork, or anything that would stand up in a court of law. ( Or even a

basketball court.).

During the Carter Administration, the upper echleons of the Western

Intelligence system were reorganized. The CIA was stripped of ACTIVE

covert operatives, and returned to its original task as a center for

information compilation, and analysis; they get all data from spy technology,

worldwide and create a on going database. Active HUMAN intelligence

training and missions were transfered over to Delta Command, which

includes military training and operations, in a full human resources

orgnizational grouping.

Durning this time all paranomral research and development programs were

removed from Military, Intelligence, and Academic control and placed under

the co-ordination and oversight of Strategic Tele-weapons Advanced

Research and Operational Development ( S.T.A.R.O.D. ), including the CIA's

Paranormal training and medical center ( designated CLINC during the

seventies, and recoded HOSPITAL, during the reorganization ) located in

Maine.

Substantial research and development was done accomplished, which

allowed natural psi-sensatives ( who worked for the government ) to bring

their talents to peak strength. The training NET included a standing

operation to recruit any and all persons exhibiting above normal paranormal

ability, and control.

Recruitment involved ( domestic U.S. ) sending low-level, regional low

sensative psi-individuals to all New-age, Pagan, and other public gatherings

and groups to test and "feel" for untrained, unrecruited individuals, who

would "involved" in the program.

Some time during the middle eighties, a group of trained, deep-intelligence

paranormals went rogue, refusing to use their abilities for Psi-esiponage.

This action caused the government to begin the development of anti-psi

technology, including the Suicide/Compulsion psychometry strategy (

telepathically saturating specific map locations with feelings of depression,

and feelings of helplessness, compelling ANYONE with untrained psi ability to

suicide.), the selective RF bombardment tactic ( sychronizing low level

electro-magnetic fields and Radio Freceuncys to the molecular resonant

frecquency of the brain's neuro-receptors ), etc.,.

You can pretty much carry on the line of thought from here, with the data

provided in the Confrence agenda. The one that bothers me is the

Bioweapons and structural ceramics combined research out of Idaho. The

human body doesn't reject cermaic material. It looks like they want to

implant or possibly " improve" the human race.

Part 2

Continuation of Lesson 8:

Now that you have gotten into sink as it were and the energy is humming through

you, feel the enrgy between your hands. You should be able to feel a resistance

between them, like when you have magents pushing away from eachother. That's

the energy bubble. Play with it, see how small or big you can make it,

experiment...

Lesson 9:

Putting the energy to rest ( turning off the flashlight )

Now that you have played enough with it... it's to put it away...

How do you turn it off? face your palms down and place them on the ground...

breath out 1 large fast deep breath. See the energy and you the battery

draining down into mother earth... you are switching off the battery power to

the " All that IS " or the light in the flashlight " and returning the excess

to miother earth.... now left your hands off the ground, snap your fingers..

this is a signal for the energies to go off and do what ever energies do... (

yes I know how this sounds... I must be nuts right? NOT!!!!) and to teach your

self when it's over... then shake oout your hands like you would to dry them

off from excess water... take another deep centering breath and look around you

to remember where you are... sometimes if you get into it too much you forget

where you were for a momnets time... happens to the best of us...

Lesson 10... You're done, and remember what I wrote to you, and try to get some

calming music, try to not listen to so much rap or hard rock, etc... a psi mind

needs calm...so does the body. Try Enya, Clannad, classical music, Kenny G.

That sort of thing, Oh some pop rock, contry music, and rock is ok, but not all

the time. Incense help too. Sandalwood, pepermint, cinnamon.. those are good to

clear the air as it were, so are plants...

well this should help you out...

Write me and let me know how you are doing ok?

Blessed Be

Lady Rhavyn

These are some frequently asked questions and here's how I answer them.. It

should be noted that each person see's it differently and has a different

opinion on how to answer them

Hello...

1. How do you know if you have psionic abilities?

My husband says when your life consists of more than 75% coincidence, your

psychic.. Things you should pay attention to, When you know who is on the phone

and your just about to pick it up, dreams that come true is a form of

precognition. The best way to find out is to experiment.. and see what happens.

2. Does everyone have them?

I believe that everyone has them, but I also think that it is lattent

and sleeps in some and is awake in some.. but it's not always that easy to tell

who's psi is awake and whose is awake...

3. How do you know when a supposed psionic ability is real or not?

Test it... if it happens more offten than not, then it's an abilitiy

And 4... my favorite

How do I know whether I have the psi power...

It's not a power, like superman or the x-men... it's an ability within the

human mind that isn't always used.. remember we only use about 10 to 15% of our

brain capacity...

I am posting in response to the articles on government and psi. I notice there

hasn't been much response to those yet, I'm a little suprised, considering the

content of those articles.

First of all, I wanted to talk about one of the highly placed members of the

Avariy who called Gen. Stubblebineine "Gen. Spoonbender" and then trashed

Stubblebine's reputation and psi-tech. Later, however, the same source said that

he and John Alexander were "friends". I guess it's not so easy to trash

Alexander's reputation, seeing how he's so highly placed, (i.e. Director of

Non-Lethal programmes at Los Alamos National Labs, friends with the vice

president, etc. Not to mention he gave a speech at this classified conference..)

Notice how Alexandar is also on the board of psi-tech, though. Now why would

Alexander risk his reputation by associating himself with a company of con

artists? Anyone want to clarify this for me?

Also, about the little spiel about how the government is using satanic

rituals to contact non-human intelligences (NHI). The author concluded that

these scientists were feeding him misinformation, since they didn't come forward

to the New York Times or Nightline, and instead came to some obscure ufologist.

First of all, I don't think the New York Times is going to print something like

this without evidence. I don't think a reputable news orginzation is going to

spread this around on an anonymous tip. Another point against the scientists'

story is the fact that they continued to work on projects they considered

unethical. Since this has already ventured into the truly bizarre, isn't there a

possibility that the scientists did not HAVE the option to quit. Who knows...

It just seems to me there was an explanation for why the scientists did what they

did and not more. (Of course, if the government really did go that far, it's a

wonder they didn't catch even a small leak like that.) I don't know, this is

quite a strech, like most of the stuff posted in the alt.para groups. ANYONE

care to comment on these articles?

(LOBSTER magazine, which specialises in intelligence and

conspiracy matters,

is published twice yearly.)

NON-LETHALITY: JOHN B. ALEXANDER, THE PENTAGON'S

PENGUIN

By Armen Victorian

On April 22, 1993, both BBC1 and BBC2 showed on their

main evening news

bulletins a rather lengthy piece concerning America's

latest development in

weaponry - the non-lethal weapons concept. David

Shukman, BBC Defence

Correspondent interviewed (Retired) U.S. Army Colonel

John B. Alexander

and Janet Morris, two of the main proponents of the

concept (1). The

concept of non-lethal weapons is not new. Non-lethal

weapons have been

used by the intelligence, police and defence

establishments in the past (2).

Several western governments have used a variety of

non-lethal weapons in

a more discreet and covert manner. It seems that the

U.S. government is

about to take the first step towards their open use.

The current interest in the concept of non-lethal weapons

began about a

decade ago with John Alexander. In December 1980 he

published an article

in the U.S. Army's journal, MILITARY REVIEW, "The New

Mental Battlefield,"

referring to claims that telepathy could be used to

interfere with the brain's

electrical activity. This caught the attention of senior

Army generals who

encouraged him to pursue what they termed "soft option

kill" technologies.

After retiring from the Army in 1988, Alexander joined

the Los Alamos

National Laboratories and began working with Janet

Morris, the Research

Director of the U.S. Global Strategy Council (USGSC),

chaired by Dr Ray Cline,

former Deputy Director of the CIA (3). I examine the

background of Janet

Morris and John Alexander in more detail below.

Throughout 1990 the USGSC lobbied the main national

laboratories, major

defence contractors and industries, retired senior military

and intelligence

officers. The result was the creation of a Non-lethality

Policy Review Group,

led by Major General Chris S. Adams, USAF (retd.) former

Chief of Staff,

Strategic Air Command (4). They already have the

support of Senator Sam

Nunn, chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

According to Janet

Morris, the military attache at the Russian Embassy has

contacted USGSC

about the possibility of converting military hardware to a

non-lethal

capability.

In 1991 Janet Morris issued a number of papers giving

more detailed

information about USGSC's concept of non-lethal weapons

(5). Shortly after,

the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command at Fort

Monroe, VA, published

a detailed draft report on the subject titled "Operations

Concept for Disabling

Measures." The report included over twenty projects in

which John

Alexander is currently involved at the Los Alamos

national Laboratories.

In a memorandum dated April 10, 1991, titled "Do we

need a Non-lethal

Defense initiative?" Paul Wolfwitz, Under Secretary of

Defense for Policy,

wrote to Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, "A U.S. lead in

non-lethal

technologies will increase our options and reinforce our

position in the post-

Cold War world. Our Research and Development efforts

must be increased."

HOW LETHAL IS NON-LETHAL?

To support their non-lethal weapons concept, Janet

Morris argues that while

"war will always be terrible... a world power deserving its

reputation for

humane action should pioneer the principles of non-lethal

defense (6)." In

"Defining a non-lethal strategy," she seeks to establish a

doctrine for the use

of non-lethal weapons by the U.S. in crisis "at home or

abroad in a life

serving fashion." She totally disregards the offensive,

lethal aspects

inhereent in some of the weapons in question, or their

misuse, should they

become available to "rogue" nations. Despite her

arguments that non-lethal

weapons should serve the U.S.'s interests "at home and

abroad by projecting

power without indiscriminately taking lives or destroying

property (7)," she

admits that "casualties cannot be avoided (8)."

Closer examination of the types of weapons to be used as

non-lethal

invalidates her assertions about their non-lethality.

According to her white

paper, the areas where non-lethal weapons could be

useful are "regional and

low inensity conflict (adventurism, insurgency, ethnic

violence, terrorism,

narco- trafficking, domestic crime) (9)." She believes that

"by identifying and

requiring a new category of non-lethal weapons, tactics

and strategic

planning" the U.S. can reshape its military capability "to

meet the already

identifiable threats" that they might face in a multipolar

world "where

American interests are globalized and American presence

widespread (10)."

THE POTENTIAL INVENTORY

Janet Morris' "White Paper" recommends "two types of

life-conserving

technologies":

ANTI-MATERIAL NON-LETHAL TECHNOLOGIES

To destroy or impair electronics, or in other ways stop

mechanical systems

from functioning. Amongst current technologies from

which this category of

non- lethal weapons would or could be chosen are:

* Chemical and bilogical weapons for their anti-materiel

agents "which do not

significantly endanger life or the environment, or anti-

personnel agents

which have no permanent effects (11)."

* Laser blinding systems to incapacitate the electronic

sensors, or optics, i.e.

light detection and ranging. Already the Army Infantry

School is developing

a one-man portable and operated laser weapons system

known as the

Infantry Self-Defense System. The U.S. Army's

Armament Research,

Development and Engineer Center (ARDEC), is also

engaged in the

development of non-lethal weapons under their program

called "Low

Collateral Damage Munitions" (LCDM). The LCDM is trying

to develop

technolgies leading to weapons capable of dazzling and

incapacitating

missiles, armoured vehicles and personnel.

* Non-lethal electromagnetic technolgies.

* Non-nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse weapons (12). As

General Norman

Schwartzkopf has told the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, one

such weapons

stationed in space with a wide-area-pulse capacity has

the ability to fry

enemy electronics. But what would be the fate of enemy

personnel in such a

scenario? In a join project with the Los Alamos National

Laboratories and

with technical support from the Army's Harry Diamond

Laboratories, ARDEC

are developing High Power Microwave (HPM) Projectiles.

According to

ARDEC, the Diamond lab has already "completed a radio

frequency effects

analysis on a representative target set" for (HPM).

* Among the chemical agents, so-called supercaustics -

"Millions of times

more caustic than hydrofluric acid (13)" - are prime

candidates. An artillery

round could deliver jellied super-acids which could

destroy the optics of

heavily armoured vehicles or tanks, vision blocks or

glass, and "could be

used to silently destroy key weapons systems (14)."

On less lethal aspects the use of net-like entanglements

for SEAL teams, or

"stealthy" metal boats with low or no radar signature, "for

night actions, or

any seaborne or come-ashore stealthy scenario" are

under consideration

(15). More colourful concepts are the use of chemical

metal embrittlement,

often called liquid metal embrittlement and anti-materiel

polymers which

would be used in aerosol dispersal systems, spreading

chemical adhesives or

lubricants (i.e. Teflon-based lubricants) on enemy

equipment from a

distance.

ANTI-PERSONNEL NON-LETHAL TECHNOLOGIES

* Hand-held lasers which are menat "to dazzle," could also

cause the eyeball

to explode and to blind the target.

* Isotropic radiators - explosively driven munitions,

capable of generating

very bright omni-directional light, with similar effects to

laser guns.

* High-power microwaves (HPM) - U.S. Special Operations

command already

has that capability within their grasp as a portable

microwave weapon (16).

As Myron L. Wolbarsht, a Duke University opthalamist

and expert in laser

weapons stated: "U.S. Special Forces can quietly cut

enemy communications

but also can cook internal organs (17)."

* Another candidate is Infrasound - acoustic beams. In

conjunction with the

Scientific Applications and Research Associates (SARA) of

Huntingdon,

California, ARDEC and Los Alamos laboratories are busy

"developing a high

power, very low frequency acoustic beam weapons." They

are also looking

into methods of projecting non-diffracting (i.e. non-

penetrating) high

frequency acoustic bullets. ARDEC scientists are also

looking into methods of

using pulsed chemical lasers. This class of lasers could

project "a hot, high

pressure plasma in the air in front of a target surface,

creating a blast wave

that will result in variable but controlled effects on

materiel and personnel."

* Infrasound. Alrady some governments have used it as

a means of crowd

control - e.g. France.

* Very low frequency (VLF) sound (20-35 KHz), or low-

frequency RF

modulations can cause nausea, vomiting and abdominal

pains. "Some very

low frequency sound generators, in certain frequency

ranges, can cause the

disruption of human organs and, at high power levels, can

crumble masonry

(18)." The CIA had a similar program in 1978 called

Operation Pique, which

included bouncing radio or microwave signals off the

ionosphere to affect

mental functions of people in selected areas, including

Eastern European

nuclear installations (19).

JOHN ALEXANDER

The entire non-lethal weapon concept opens up a new

Pandora's Box of

unknown consequences. The main personality behind it

is retired Colonel

John B. Alexander. Born in New York in 1937, he spent

part of his career as

a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam,

led Cambodian

mercenaries behind enemy lines, and took part in a

number of clandestine

programmes, including Phoenix. He currently holds the

post of Director of

Non-lethal Programmes in the Los Alamos National

Laboratories.

Alexander obtained a BaS from the University of

Nebraska and an MA from

Pepperdine University. In 1980 he was awarded a PhD

from Walden

University (20) for his thesis "To determine whether or

not significant

changes in spirituality occur in persons who attended a

Kubler-Ross

life/death transition workshop during the period June

through February

1979." His dissertation committee was chaired by

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross.

He has long been interested in what used to be regarded

as "fringe" areas.

In 1971, while a Captain in the infantry at Schofield

Barracks, Honolulu, he

was diving in the Bemini Islands looking for the lost

continent of Atlantis.

He was an official representative for the Silva mind

control organisation and

a lecturer on Precataclysmic Civilisations (21). Alexander

is also a past

President and a Board member of the International

Association for Near

Death Studies; and, with his former wife, Jan Northup, he

helped Dr C.B. Scott

Jones perform ESP experiments with dolphins (22).

PSI-TECH

Retired Major General Albert N. Stubblebine (Former

Director of U.S. Army

Intelligence and Security Command) and Alexander are

on the board of a

"remote viewing" company called PSI-TECH. The

company also employs

Major Edward Dames (ex Defence Intelligence Agency),

Major David

Morehouse (ex 82nd Airborne Division), and Ron

Blackburn (former

microwave scientist and specialist at Kirkland Air Force

Base). PSI-TECH has

received several government contracts. For example,

during the Gulf War

crisis the Department for Defense asked it to use remote

viewing to locate

Saddam's Scud missiles sites. Last year (1992) the FBI

sought PSI-TECH's

assistance to locate a kidnapped Exxon executive (23).

With Major Richard Groller and Janet Morris as his co-

authors, Alexander

published THE WARRIOR'S EDGE in 1990 (24). The book

describes in detail

various unconventional methods which would enable the

practitioner to

acquire "human excellence and optimum performance"

and thereby become

an invincible warrior (25). The purpose of the book is "to

unlock the door to

the extraordinary human potentials inherent in each of

us. To do this, we,

like governments around the world, must take a fresh

look at non-traditional

methods of affecting reality. We must raise human

consciousness of the

potential power of the individual body/mind system -

the power to

manipulate reality. We must be willing to retake control

of our past,

present, and ultimately, our future (26)."

Alexander is a friend of Vice President Al Gore Jnr, their

relationship dating

back to 1983 when Gore was in Alexander's Neuro-

Linguistic Programming

(NLP). NLP "presented to selected general officers and

Senior Executive

Service members (27)" a set of techniques to modify

behaviour patterns

(28). Among the first generals to take the course was the

then Lieutenant

General Maxwell Thurman, who later went on to receive

his fourth star and

become Vice-Chief of Staff at the Army and Commander

Southern Command

(29). Among other senior participants were Tom

Downey and Major General

Stubblebine, former Director of the Army Intelligence

Security Command.

"In 1983, the Jedi master (from the Star Wars movie -

author) provided an

image and a name for the Jedi Project (30)." Jedi Project's

aim was to seek

and "construct teachable models of behaviorable/physical

excellence using

unconventional means (31)." According to Alexander the

Jedi Project was to

be a follow-up to Neuro-Linguistic Programming skills.

By using the

influence of friends such as Major General Stubblebine,

who was then head

of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, he

managed to fund

Jedi. In reality the concept was old hat, re-christened by

Alexander. The

original idea which was to show how "human will power

and human

concentration affect performance more than any other

single factor (32)"

using NLP skills, was the brainchild of three independent

people; Fritz

Erikson, a Gestalt therapist, Virginia Satir, a family

therapist and Erick

Erickson, a hypnotist.

JANET MORRIS

Janet Morris, co-author of THE WARRIOR'S EDGE, is best

known as a science

fiction writer but has been a member of the New York

Academy of Sciences

since 1980 and is a member of the Association for

Electronic Defense. She is

also the Research Director of the U.S. Global Strategy

Council (USGSC). She

was initiated into the Japanese art of bioenergetics, Joh-

re, the Indonesian

brotherhood of Subud, and graduated from the Silva

course in advanced

mind control. She has been conducting remote viewing

experiments for

fifteen years.

She worked on a research project investigating the effects

of mind on

probability in computer systems. Her husband, Robert

Morris, is a former

judge and a key member of the American Security

Council (33).

In a recent telephone conversation with the author (34),

Janet Morris

confirmed John Alexander's involvement in mind control

and psychotronic

projects in the Los Alamos National Laboratories.

Alexander and his team

have recently been working with Dr Igor Smirnov, a

psychologist from the

Moscow Insitute of Psychocorrelations. They were

invited to the U.S. after

Janet Morris' visit to Russia in 1991. There she was

shown the technique

which was pioneered by the Russian Deparment of

Psycho-Correction at

Moscow Medical Academy. The Russians employ a

technique to

electronically analyse the human mind in order to

influence it. They input

subliminal command messages, using key words

transmitted in "white noise"

or music (35). Using an infrasound very low frequency-

type transmission,

the acoustic psycho-correction message is transmitted via

bone conduction -

ear plugs would not restrict the message. To do that

would require an entire

body protection system. According to the Russians the

subliminal messages

by-pass the conscious level and are effective almost

immediately.

C.B. SCOTT JONES

Jones is the former assistant to Senator Clairborne Pell

(Democrat, Rhode

Island). Scott Jones was a member of U.S. Naval

Intelligence for 15 years, as

well as Assistant Naval Attache, New Delhi, India, in the

1960s. Jones has

briefed the President's Scientific Advisory Committee,

and has testified

before House and Senate Committees on intelligence

matters. After the navy

he "worked in the private sector research and

development community

involved in the U.S. government sponsored projects for

the Defense Nuclear

Agency (DNA), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and U.S.

Army Intelligence

and Security Command." He has been head of the

Rockerfeller Foundation

for some time and chairs the American Society for

Psychical Research (36).

BIRDS OF A FEATHER

Alexander and C.B. Jones are members of the AVIARY, a

group of intelligence

and Department of Defense officers and scientists with a

brief to discredit

any serious research in the UFO field. Each member of

the Aviary bears a

bird's name. Jones is FALCON, John Alexander is

PENGUIN.

One of their agents; a UFO researcher known as William

Moore, who was

introduced to John Alexander at a party in 1987 by Scott

Jones, confessed in

front of an audience at a conference held by the MUTUAL

UFO NETWORK

(MUFON) on July 1, 1989, in Las Vegas, how he was

promised inside

information by the senior members of the AVIARY in

return for his

obedience and service to them. He participated in the

propagation and

dissemination of disinformation fed to him by various

members of the

AVIARY. He also confessed how he was instructed to

target one particular

individual, an electronics expert, Dr Paul Bennewitz, who

had accumulated

some UFO film footage and electronic signals which were

taking place in

1980 over the Menzano Weapons Storage areas, at

Kirtland Air Force Base,

New Mexico. As a result of Moore's involvement, coupled

with some

surreptitious entries and psychological techniques,

Bennewitz ended up in a

psychiatric hospital.

Just before the publication of my first paper unmasking

two members of the

AVIARY (37) I was visited by two of their members

(MORNING DOVE and

HAWK) who had travelled to the U.K. with a message

from the senior ranks

advising me not to go ahead with my expose. I rejected

the proposal.

Immediately after the publication of that paper, and with

the full knowledge

that myself and a handful of colleagues knew the true

identities of their

members, John B. Alexander confessed that he was

indeed a member of the

AVIARY, nicknamed PENGUIN. The accuracy of our

information was further

confirmed to me by yet another member of the AVIARY,

Ron Pandolphi,

PELICAN. Pandolphi is a PhD in physics and works at the

Rocket and Missile

section of the Office of the Deputy Director of Science and

Technology, CIA.

In his book, OUT THERE (38), the NEW YORK TIMES

journalist Howard Blum

refers to "a UFO Working Group" within the Defense

Intelligence Agency.

Despite DIA's repeated denials (39), the existence of this

working gorup has

been confirmed to me by more than one member of the

group itself,

including an independent source in the Office of Naval

Intelligence. The

majority of the group's members are senior members of

the AVIARY: Dr

Christopher Green (BLUEJAY) from the CIA (40), Harold

Puthoff (OWL) ex-

NSA; Dr Jack Verona (RAVEN) (DoD, one of the initiators

of the DIA's Sleeping

Beauty project which aimed to achieve battlefield

superiority using mind-

altering electromagnetic weaponry); John Alexander

(PENGUIN) and Ron

Pandolphi (PELICAN).

The mysterious "Col. Harold E. Phillips" who appears in

Blum's OUT THERE is

none other than John B. Alexander.

John Alexander's position as the Program Manager for

Contingency Missions

of Conventional Defense Technology, Los Alamos National

Laboratories,

enabled him to exploit the Department of Defense's

Project RELIANCE "which

encourages a search for all possible sources of existing

and incipient

technologies before developing new technology in-house

(41)" to tap into a

wide range of exotic topics, sometimes using defense

contractors, e.g.

McDonnel Douglas Aerospce. I have several reports, some

of which were

compiled before his departure to the Los Alamos National

Laboratories when

he was with Army Intelligence, which show Alexander's

keen interest in any

and every exotic subject - UFOs, ESP, psychotronics, anti-

gravity devices,

near death experiments, psychology warfare and non-

lethal weaponry.

John Alexander utilises the bank of information he has

accumulated to try to

develop psychotronic, psychological and mind weaponry.

He began thinking

about non-lethal weapons a decade ago in his paper "The

New Mental

Battlefield." He seems to want to become a "Master." If

he ever succeeds in

this ambition the rest of us ordinary mortals had better

watch out.

NOTES:

1. Letter dated 2 April, 1993, to author from Mrs

Victoria Alexander.

2. The U.S. Army Chemical and Military Police used

"Novel Effect Weapons"

against the women protesters at the Greenham Common

Base.

3. The United States Global Strategy Council is an

independent think tank,

incorporated in 1981. It focuses on long-range strategic

issues. The

founding members were Clare Boothe Luce, General

Maxwell Taylor,

General Albert Wedemeyer, Dr Ray Cline (Co-chair), Jeane

Kirkpatrick

(Co-chair), Morris Leibman, Henry luce III, J. William

Middendorf II,

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer USN (retd), General Richard

Stillwell (retd),

Dr Michael A. Daniles (President), Dr Dalton A. West

(Executive Vice

President). Its Research Directors were Dr Yona

Alexander, Dr Roger Fontaine, Robert L. Katula and Janet

Morris.

4. NONLETHAlITY: DEVELOPMENT OF A NATIONAL

POLICY AND EMPLOYING

NONLETHAL MEANS IN A NEW STATEGIC ERA - a Project

of the U.S.

Global Strategy Council, 1991, p.4. Other staff members

of the USGSC

are Steve Trevino, Dr John B. Alexander and Chris Morris.

5. The USGSC has issued a wide variety of papers on the

Nonlethal Weapons

Concept. For example, IN SEARCH OF NONLETHAL

STRATEGY (Janet

Morris); NONLETHALITY: A GLOBAL STRATEGY - WHITE

PAPER;

NONLETHALITY BRIEFING SUPPLEMENT No.1; and

NONLETHALITY IN

THE OPERATIONAL CONTIUNUUM.

6. IN SEARCH OF A NONLETHAL STRATEGY, Janet Morris,

p.1.

7. NONLETHALITY: A GLOBAL STRATEGY - WHITE

PAPER, p.3.

8. IN SEARCH OF... P.3.

9. In the recent cult siege in Waco, Texas, a "nonlethal"

technique, projecting

sublimal messages, was used to influence David Kuresh -

without

effect.

10. NONLETHALITY: A GLOBAL STRATEGY - WHITE

PAPER, p.2.

11. The computer data base compiled during the

CIA/Army's Project OFTEN,

examining several thousand chemical compounds, during

1976-1973,

is a most likely candidate for any chemical agents for

nonlethal

weapons.

12. The British MoD is already developing a "microwave

bomb." Work on the

weapon is going on at the Defence Research Agency at

Farnborough,

Hampshire. See SUNDAY TELEGRAPH September 27, 1992,

partly

reproduced in LOBSTER 24, p.14. The Royal Navy is

already in

possession of laser weapons which dazzle aircraft pilots.

The Red

Cross has called for them to be banned under the Geneva

Convention

because could permanently blind.

13. IN SEARCH OF A NONLETHAL STRATEGY, p.13.

14. Ibid.

15. The U.S. Navy, through its Project SEA SHADOW, has

already developed a

stealth boat. Like the Lockheed F117A, stealth fighter, it

leaves no

radar signature - BBC, Newsround, April 28, 1993.

16. Taped conversation with Janet Morris, March 1, 1993.

17. THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, January 4, 1993.

18. IN SEARCH OF A NONLETHAL STRATEGY, p. 14.

19. REMOTE CONTROL TECHNOLOGY, Anna Keeler (FULL

DISCLOSURE, Ann

Arbor, U.S.A., 1989) p.11.

20. Walden University, 801 Anchor Road Drive, Naples, Fl.

33904, U.S.A.

Walden University considers itself a non-traditional

university and

does not offer any undergraduate courses to its students.

21. Brad Steiger, MYSTERIES OF SPACE AND TIME

(Prentice Hall, Engelwood

Cliffs, New Jersey) pp.72 and 3. The U.S. Army Command

and General

College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, issued this on

Alexander's career:

"Colonel John B. Alexander, U.S. Army Retired, manages

Antimateriel

Technology at Los Alamos National Laboratories, Los

Alamos, New

Mexico. His military assignments included; Advanced

Systems

Concepts Office, Laboratory Command; manager,

Technology

Integration Office, Army Material Command; assistant

deputy chief of

staff, Technology Planning and Management, Army

Material

Command; and chief, Advanced Human Technology,

Intelligence and

Security Command."

22. Taped telephone conversation with Dr Scott Jones,

August 17, 1992.

23. Taped telephone converstaion with Maj. Edward

Dames, June 27, 1992;

and THE BULLETIN OF ATOMIC SCIENTISTS, December

1992, p.6.

24. THE WARRIOR'S EDGE, Col. John B. Alexander, Maj.

Richard Groller and

Janet Morris, (William Morrow Inc., New York, 1990).

25. Ibid. p.9.

26. Ibid. pp.9 and 10.

27. Ibid p.47.

28. Ibid.

29. Ibid.

30. Ibid. pp.72 and 3.

31. Ibid. p.12.

32. Ibid. p. 13.

33. The American Security Council (ASC) Box 8, Boston,

Virginia 22713, USA.

ASC is militarist, anti-communist and right-wing. Formed

in the mid 1950s,

the Council acts as a right-wing think tank on foreign

policy and

lobbies for the expansion and strengthening of U.S.

miliary forces. In

1985 the ASC had

330,000 members. See, for example, the entry for the

ASC in THE RADICAL

RIGHT: A WORLD DIRECTORY, compiled by Ciaran O

Maolain (Longman,

London 1987).

34. Taped telephone conversation with Janet Morris,

March 1, 1993.

35. In 1989 a U.S. Department of Defense consultant and

contractor

explained to the author how he was asked to examine the

possibility

of devising operational methods of transmitting

subliminal messages

through the TV screen.

36. "Will the Real Scott Jones please stand up?" -

unpublished paper by

George Hansen and Robert Durant, February 20, 1990,

pp.4 and 5.

37. "The Birds" Armen Victorian, in U.K. UFO Magazine,

Vol.11 No.3,

July/August 1992, pp 4-7.

38. OUT THERE, Howard Blum (Simon and Schuster,

London 1990) pp.44, 46-

51, 55-57.

39. DIA's letters to author dated July 12, 1991, July 8,

1992 and December

18, 1992.

40. Dr Chistopher "Kit" Green, BLUEJAY, has admitted that

the CIA has

compiled over 30,000 files on UFOs, 200 of which are

extremely

interesting. Green was a key CIA member in examining

the UFO

problem for several years.

41. Los Alamos National Laboratory, Institutional Plan

Fiscal Year 1992 -

RM 1.0 00257 ~ RoboMail -- The ultimate QWK

compatible message manager.

The following note is my own comment on the suggestion

in the above

article that Col. John Alexander is the true identity of

Colonel Hal Phillips

discussed in Howard Blum's book "Out There". -Steve>

My own reading of Howard Blum's book "out there"

suggests that John

Alexander is probably *not* the mysterious "Colonel

Phillips" cited by Blum,

unless biographical details were deliberately scrambled.

The book

"Warrior's Edge" by Alexander, Morris and Groller states

"In 1956 he

entered the U.S. Army as a private and

retired thirty-two years

later as a colonel." Colonel Phillips' bio from "Out There"

on the other hand

says ...born 1941, Sioux City, Iowa; graduated University

of Southern Illinois,

engineering degree and ROTC; entered the Army as a

first lieutenant and

decided to become a carreer officer..."

Probably not the same guy.

Steve

Thank You for explaining a key motivation in one of the

main factors

that have affected my life for more than 10 years. It is

strange how

when one is part of master plan how well implemented

compartmented

security can be.

Don't worry. Everything will be all right. They cannot

succeed. They

have and will continue to win some battles but, they will

lose the

overall confrontation. But, you must also continue your

efforts, do not

become complacent, you are part of the solution.

In fact, given the center of their research and

development, and based

on where we are currently located, there is an eerie irony

to all of this.

They do not know that we are already right under their

noses, within

their reach, but they cannot touch (psi) us.

Okay, now for what little I can contribute. First the

disclaimer. This data

is at least six years old, and may be EXTREMELY out of

date. I have no

paperwork, or anything that would stand up in a court of

law. ( Or even a

basketball court.).

Proving this in court is unnecessary.

During the Carter Administration, the upper echleons of

the Western

Intelligence system were reorganized. The CIA was

stripped of ACTIVE

covert operatives, and returned to its original task as a

center for

information compilation, and analysis; they get all data

from spy technology,

worldwide and create a on going database.

Active HUMAN intelligence training and missions were

transfered over to

Delta Command, which includes military training and

operations, in a full

human resources orgnizational grouping.

Another beautiful peace of irony.

Durning this time all paranomral research and

development programs were

removed from Military, Intelligence, and Academic

control and placed under

the co-ordination and oversight of Strategic Tele-weapons

Advanced

Research and Operational Development ( S.T.A.R.O.D. ),

including the CIA's

Paranormal training and medical center ( designated

CLINC during the

seventies, and recoded HOSPITAL, during the

reorganization ) located in

Maine. Substantial research and development was done

accomplished,

which allowed natural psi-sensatives ( who worked for

the government ) to

bring their talents to peak strength. The training NET

included a standing

operation to recruit any and all persons exhibiting above

normal paranormal

ability, and control.

Even together they are much less potent than they think

they are.

Recruitment involved ( domestic U.S. ) sending low-level,

regional low

sensative psi-individuals to all New-age, Pagan, and other

public gatherings

and groups to test and "feel" for untrained, unrecruited

individuals, who

would "involved" in the program.

Some time during the middle eighties, a group of trained,

deep-intelligence

paranormals went rogue, refusing to use their abilities for

Psi-esiponage.

This action caused the government to begin the

development of anti-psi

technology, including the Suicide/Compulsion

psychometry strategy (

telepathically saturating specific map locations with

feelings of depression,

and feelings of helplessness, compelling ANYONE with

untrained psi ability to

suicide.), the selective RF bombardment tactic (

sychronizing low level

electro-magnetic fields and Radio Freceuncys to the

molecular resonant

frecquency of the brain's neuro-receptors ), etc.,.

They missed.

You can pretty much carry on the line of thought from

here, with the data

provided in the Confrence agenda. The one that bothers

me is the

Bioweapons and structural ceramics combined research

out of Idaho. The

human body doesn't reject cermaic material. It looks like

they want to

implant or possibly "improve" the human race.

There is not enough time left for them to implement this

on a wide

scale; nothing to worry about.

The following repost contains an article originally posted

in 12 parts by Don

Allen. For readability, I have stripped all but Don's initial

header and final

sig. Note that this material repeats the speculation that

Col. John Alexander is

Col. Hal Phillips, which I noted my disagreement with

following the "Lobster"

article. -Steve>

Date: Fri Dec 3 15:10:15 1993

From: ab621@leo.nmc.edu (Ron Schwarz)

Subject: UFO Conspiracy Theory

To: act@bolis.sf-bay.org

Reply-To: ab621@leo.nmc.edu

Someone posted a request for information on UFO

Conspiracy Theory.

Unfortunately, I cannot get into Finland to get at my mail,

and I don't

remember who it was. Sorry.

What follows is a frightening (if long winded) text I found

on Paranet a few

days ago -- I put it all together and posted it here in

Traverse City, which is

where my preface was directed, so don't none of ya take

any offence at the

/dev/nul stuff!

I am posting this somewhat long-winded crosspost for

the *sole* benefit of

those who are concerned about the Ed Dames/John

Alexander/Janet Reno/Al

Gore connection. The connection is well-known. The

principals are well

documented.

There *is* an outfit named PSI-Tech. Ed Dames and John

Alexander *are*

involved with it. What it does is also a matter of public

record. Janet Reno is

also publicly connected to John Alexander (eg, the recent

"Non-Lethal

Warfare" conference).

When the facts are examined, the blood runs cold.

I will acknowledge that there is a bit of a signal-to-noise

ratio issue

concerning this post. Once the implications of the

arrangement are carefully

considered, however, it is amazing that *any* fact has

become available to

mere mortals.

Anyone wishing to further discuss this with me may do

so at any of my

addresses. Anyone wishing to start a P-War over this

post is directed to

forward their flames to /dev/nul.

Ron

Mike Corbin could stand it no more and blurted out to

Don Allen:

I am really curious here.

With all of this Dan Smith crapola about MJ-12,

Pandolphin, and the others,

what is the story on them claiming that they are the MJ-

12 group? This is

absolutely ludicrous!What proof have they offered,

considering that the MJ-

12 group itself has never been proven, and for the most

part, the documents

have been dismissed as hoax?

Not MJ-12..Aviary. Not Pandolfin - Ron Pandolfi =

"Pelican" .

The following is offered as a possible answer to your

questions.

Courtesy of C.E.R.N., the Close Encounters Research

Network. This article

published in the CE CHRONICLES, the journal of C.E.R.N. in

the Nov-Dec 1993

*premier* edition.

Subscriptions: Annual subscriptions to CE Chronicles are

currently available

to non-members for $18 (domestic) and $25 (foreign). For

more information,

membership applications or to report a paranormal

event, call (713) 558-

1630 or write: CERN, 10878 Westheimer, Suite 293,

Houston, Texas 77042 --

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The Aviary, the Aquarium, and Eschatology

by Vince Johnson

Eschatology:

1: The branch of theology concerned with the final events

in the history of

the world or of mankind.

2: A belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the

ultimate destiny of

mankind; specifically any of the various Christian

doctrines concerning the

Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last

Judgement.

As more than a casual observer of contemporary ufology,

I've recently

become aware of a what could be a significant new twist

in popular

perception about UFOs. For many, UFOs are not the

manifestation of

extraterrestrial intelligence, but instead, are a

metaphysical phenomena -- a

manifestation of spiritual entities. Many

abductees/contactees are now

characterizing their "unusual personal experiences" in a

religious or

metaphysical context.

As an unabashed secular humanist, I am skeptical of

these claims. But there

are several aspects of the metaphysical interpretation of

the UFO

phenomenon that should be considered before rejecting it

out of hand.

Admittedly, a lot of what follows is based on rumor,

hearsay and

circumstantial evidence. Much is derived from numerous

phone calls from

Dan Smith, whose religious beliefs regarding the UFO

phenomenon have

induced a messianic zeal to "spread the Word."

These calls have provided a flurry of information on what

I have previously

termed "fringe" beliefs, as well as providing the names

and backgrounds of

the birds who comprise the Aviary. According to Dan,

who undoubtedly is

privy to a wealth of accurate, though not widely known

UFO information, this

data is being released through him due to the grave

concern by high

government officials about impending metaphysical

catastrophe - the

eschaton, or the end of the world.

Mr. Smith first came to my attention after the "Aquarium

Conspiracy" article

(see inset) was disseminated to computer bulletin board

systems in the

Spring of '93. In this article, Smith and Rosemary Ellen

Guiley, directors of

the Center for North American Crop Circle Studies,

warned of an

"eschatological emergency, "the reaction of various

organizations--both

inside and outside the government, and their attempt to

establish a network

of spiritually advanced individuals, the "Aquarium," to

assist the Aviary in

dealing with this crisis.

The "Aquarium Conspiracy" by Dan Smith and Rosemary

Ellen Guiley

"In the beginning there was eschatology--the branch of

theology dealing

with the end times. Dan, having spent many years first

studying physics and

then metaphysics, came to the conclusion that the

scientists have been

looking at the world upside down. Mind, not matter, is

the foundation for all

realities. Moreover, the materialist paradigm was in

danger of imminent

collapse, being subverted on the inside by its own

contradictions, and on the

outside by the growing body of evidence for the

paranormal. Creating and

maintaining a reality is no easy game. It requires a lot of

magic, and a lot of

conscious critters like ourselves who are pretty good at

collective self-

deception. Fortunately-- or perhaps unfortunately--our

particular reality

game has about reached its natural conclusion, and we

are waking up to the

fact that mind and matter are not separate. We are

undergoing an exciting

but stressful revolution in our collective consciousness.

This revolution, or

global spiritual emergency, will bring upheavals and

overloads in our global

consciousness that will impact the material Earth for

better or worse, and

may quickly get out of control. We also will be opening

up to other realities

that will be impacting us as well. Our present very tidy

sense of reality and

its boundaries is due to become much more fluid and

permeable. Every

spiritual tradition takes very seriously its prophesies

about the end of the

world, but for the first time we are seeing these

prophesies turning into

believable predictions of earth and reality changes. That

is how Dan fell from

physics into eschatology. After experiencing numerous

slammed doors

among his former scientific colleagues, he decided that

the most logical place

to find fellow eschatologists would be in various

intelligence agencies and

among investigators of the paranormal. Dan next

addressed how to

communicate about the eschaton. Even a small hint that

the government is

worried about the end of the world might start a chain

reaction of panic,

which could possibly serve as a trigger for the eschaton.

On the other hand,

people inside the government might be wanting to set up

a kind of civil

defense network vis a vis the eschaton, and so they

would be looking for

people on the outside who could much more freely

network among the

general public. An important link in the communication

chain is what has

become known as the Aviary. This is the final link next to

the public

network, and so it must be heavily disguised by its own

surrealistic smoke

screen. The Aviary functions best by amplifying people's

own

misconceptions about the paranormal. It does this by

helping to overinflate

individual pieces of the puzzle so that particular

investigators get pushed

further into their own blind alleys. People are encouraged

to be so distracted

by the trees that they fail to see the forest. This

cacophony by people looking

for truth in all the strangest places provides an excellent

cover for the

deadly serious business of clearing the decks and

battening down the

hatches for the eschaton event. It is like a Manhattan

Project going on

behind the scenes of alien grays and praying mantises

having sex with

humans. However, this eschaton conspiracy is being

orchestrated by higher

powers, and we don't mean the Committee of 300. Very

few of the people

even near the center of the orchestration have a clear

picture of what is

coming down, but they do know that something is coming

and that they will

have front row seats. The Manhattan Project relative to

the eschaton is a

global civilian network of people who will serve as a

lightning rod for the

cosmic energies coming in during the consciousness

revolution. They will be

looking to channel these energies into expanded realities.

Thus, they will

provide a degree of protection for those people who can

find their places

alongside the network. Outside of the network there will

be greater levels of

trauma and confusion. The pieces of the network are

already in place, the

remaining task is to properly activate and link the pieces

into a critical mass

of awareness. This last step is now underway. This is how

an Aviary helps to

spawn an Aquarium, and how birds learn to swim. The

Aquarium is our

business, and we are working to reach people who are

ready to be activated

in the consciousness revolution."

I was intrigued after reading the "Aquarium Memo"

because it implied that

the authors had cultivated sources within the intelligence

community. The

only question was whether this information was accurate

or bogus. I drafted

a response and uploaded it to Don Allen, moderator for

the FIDO UFO

conference, requesting that he forward it to Dan Smith.

Several days later, I

received the first of many calls from him.

Since Smith had alluded to his close contacts with the

Aviary, most of my

questions centered around this mysterious group of

alleged UFO insiders

comprised of scientists, military personnel, and

inteligence analysts. Dan's

primary contact with this group is "Pelican" who

reportedly mans the "Wierd

Desk" (UFOs,etc) at CIA. While Pelican's main job with the

CIA's Directorate of

Science and Technology is to monitor foreign

technological developments,

Pelican also tracks millennial/eschatological communities,

"entering a

twilight zone where psychic techniques are being

generated by humans and

other entities," says Smith.

According to Smith, UFOs are primarily a

psychological/metaphysical

phenomenon which are both preparing us and pressuring

us to develop our

own psi abilities. Not that UFOs are a single type of entity,

Smith asserts that

there are "powers and principalities" at work --

presumably supernatural

entities like angels and demons.

Furthermore, he said that a radical program of

parapsychological research

and development is currently underway near Los

Alamos, New Mexico. This

group's development of psychokinesis, and psychotronics

(a term used to

denote psychic warfare techniques) represents a danger

of eschatological

proportions. "These techniques have been available, but

controlled,

throughout history. Now, other entities are forcing the

issue," said Smith.

During the course of our first conversation, Smith was

unable to provide

much proof of his claims. He reported that his

governmental sources "hinted

at" an eschatological emergency. To prove the evil intent

of the entities

involved, he referred to reports of human mutilations in

the Amazon which

have been officially attribbuted to drug dealers, but

according to his sources,

were committed by these evil entities. When I asked why

the CIA was

interested in eschatology, he replied that the

ramifications of the eschaton

event represented a serious threat to national security,

and thus, fell into the

parview of the intelligence agencies.

Smith also revealed that the eschatological issues he

raised related directly

to the Biblical prophecies of the book of Revelations.

I thanked Mr. Smith for the call, and invited him to keep

me abreast of

future developments. With the addition of demons,

angels, "black magic,"

psychotronic technology, and assorted spooks working at

cross purposes, my

already strained credulity was pushed a bit further.

The Aviary

Dan proceeded to call me regularly. Each call provided

tantalizing snippets of

information -- some simply incredible at first hearing,

but with confirmation

on some of the data coming in from disparate sources all

across the country.

Naturally, my curiosity centered around the identities

and activities of the

Aviary. I suspect that many believe the Bird People to be

cogs in a giant

conspiracy to manage the public's perception of UFOs. Not

necessarily so,

according to Smith. Far from being a well-funded,

omnipotent secret society

of the guardians of UFO data, the Aviary is nothing more

than an ad hoc

group of highly-placed "UFO buffs."

Initially, the factor that seemed most important was that

Pelican was being

so forthcoming -- presumably with the knowledge and

consent of his

superiors at CIA. This in itself forced me to conclude that

there are two

possible motives for all this apparent glasnost:

1. There is indeed an eschatological emergency as

described by Dan Smith,

i.e. fulfillment of biblical prophesy with attendent

catastrophes; and/or

2. There is a new twist to the ol' UFO debunking game,

capitalizing on new-

age mysticism and millennial "apocophilia."

Frankly, I lean towards the second explanation. After all,

Smith himself

described the Aviary as "amplifying people's own

misconceptions about the

paranormal. It does this by helping to overinflate

individual pieces of the

puzzle so that particular investigators get pushed further

into their own

blind alleys." I've personally been occupied by this

ongoing saga for many

months -- a "blind alley?" I wish I knew, but in either

case, Pelican's

involvement in this affair raises the ante significantly.

Has something changed? Could we really be facing

biblical "End Times?" As I

mentioned previously, I would have laughed-off such

suggestions a few

months ago. However, Smith's references to "out of

control" psychotronic

research proved to be more substantive than I first

realized.

The Aviary is believed to be comprised of:

Bruce Maccabee (Seagull) - Well-known Naval

photograhic expert who

verified the authenticity of the Gulf Breeze photos, a

MUFON consultant and

member of the Board of Directors of the Fund for UFO

Research.

Hal Puthoff, PhD. (Owl) - Physicist with the Institute for

Advanced

Research in Austin, Texas who specializes in Zero-Point

Energy, a quantum

phenomenon that could provide "free energy." Puthoff

was once involved in

remote-viewing experiments at the Stanford Research

Institute.

Dale Graff (Raven) - Performed contract oversight for the

DIA at Wright

Patterson AFB. Most recently, Graff was the chief of the

DIA's Defense

Technology/Special department. Rumored to be an

abductee, and involved in

"black magic" and psychotronic programs at Los Alamos,

but fired recently

by DIA. Smith says that Graff is the head of the "military"

UFO working

group at Los Alamos.

Jack Vorona (bird name unknown) - Vorona is apparently

the most covert

of all the Birds. He is believed to have been a liason

between Capitol Hill and

Los Alamos. Was once involved in Project Sleeping

Beauty, an attempt to

disable enemy troops using electromagnetic radiation.

Vorona has recently

"vanished," and his present whereabouts are unknown.

Richard Doty (Falcon) - Former AFOSI agent. Directly

involved in the

Bennewitz affair, and the attempt to funnel UFO

information (or

disinformation) concerning UFO briefing documents for

the President to

Linda Moulton Howe. Allegedly responsible for leaking

bogus UFO reports

while in AFOSI at Kirtland AFB. Currently employed by

the New Mexico state

police stationed in Dulce, New Mexico.

Christopher "Kit" Green MD, PhD. (Bluejay) - Pelican's

predecessor at the

"Wierd Desk" at CIA. According to Smith, Green at one

time had autopsy

reports and photos of a UFO that crashed in a foreign

country. Dr. Green is

currently the chief of the Biomedical Sciences Dept. for

General Motors. The

CIA awarded him the National Intelligence Medal for his

work on a classified

project during the period 1979 to 1983.

Robert Collins (Condor) - Former Captain, USAF. Involved

in the Bennewitz

affair, and probably participated in the scheme (with

Richard Doty) to

release UFO information/ disinformation to Linda

Moulton Howe at Kirtland

AFB.

Ernie Kellerstraus (Hawk) - While working at Wright

Patterson AFB in the

'70s, he along with Bob Collins and Dale Graff are said to

have

supplied information to William Moore. Kellerstraus is

rumored to have lived

with an alien for a while (?), and is probably the source

for the story

concerning the aliens' preference for "strawberry ice

cream".

Scott Jones (Chickadee) - Well-connected, well-funded

(by Laurence

Rockefeller) head of the Human Potential Foundation.

Former aid to Sen.

Claiborne Pell, who has had a long-standing interest in

UFOs and the

paranormal. Jones is a MUFON Consultant with numerous

highly placed

government sources who consistently finds "no interest

by government in

UFOs."

Bill Moore - (bird name unknown) This former Minnesota

school teacher

may have initiated a new regime in regards to ufology by

the publication of

"The Roswell Incident." This in itself may have been the

single event that

began the stripping away of decades of well-guarded UFO

secrecy. His

involvement in the Aviary seems to be either one of

active coordination of

the other Birds, or simply as a dupe, such as in the

Bennewitz affair.

John Alexander (Penquin) - Former colonel in Army

Intelligence (INSCOM).

Rumored to be involved in the Army's UFO research.

Member of the board of

directors of Psi Tech. Currently, head of "non-lethal"

weapons program (see

"Secret Conference" article) at Los Alamos. Said to be

briefing Vice President

Gore on the UFO phenomenon and psi projects.

"Pelican," PhD - Pelican is a physicist with the CIA's

Directorate of Science

and Technology, who mans the "Wierd Desk" (UFOs, etc)

at CIA.

Apparently, it is Pelican who provided the bulk of the

information that

Smith tirelessly passed on. Smith says that Pelican has

received some heat

from his superiors for becoming so visible due to the AIR

#1 report on Bruce

Maccabee's relationship to the CIA.

Psi-Tech

Psi-Tech is a private company that claims to provide its

clients remote

viewing services. Remote viewing is the act of psychically

perceiving places

or events at a distance. These techniques were learned

during his stint with

the US Army's Intelligence and Security Command

(INSCOM), according to

Major Ed Dames (ret.) , president of Psi-Tech, who

describes his operation

thusly (taken from a Psi-Tech brochure):

PSI TECH, Inc. was founded in 1989 to perform

specialized proprietary

studies for science and industry on a contract basis.

PSI TECH consists of a select, technically qualified group

of professional

analysts who provide a unique data collection capability

not available

anywhere else in the world. We are a team of highly

trained Remote

Viewing specialists.

Remote Viewing has been validated by governmental and

private scientific

groups over the last two decades. Briefly stated, a

remote viewer is able to

locate and accurately describe things and events distant

in time and space.

PSI TECH has developed applied remote viewing into a

powerful

investigative tool. Our disciplined team of experts

combines more than forty

man-years of applied remote viewing experience.

The rigorous target acquisition, data collection, and

analytic protocols that we

employ guarantee products and solutions of high value to

PSI TECH

customers.

PSI TECH can rapidly provide you with reliable

information that simply may

not be available via any other means!

PSI-TECH currently employs nine highly experienced

remote viewers. The

company also utilizes Ingo Swann as a subcontractor. Mr.

Swann is

internationally recognized as this country's premier

natural psychic. He

discovered and developed the proprietary methods now

used by our

company to train and conduct technical remote viewing.

PSI-TECH has appointed two outside directors from

science and industry.

Additionally. we have at our disposal an adjunct

Technical Analysis Team

consisting of a multidisciplinary group of distinguished

scientists, engineers,

and medical doctors from national labs, major

corporations and universities.

These individuals provide analytical support to PSI-TECH

technical

intelligence collection projects as required.

PSI-TECH training and operations performance standards

are exacting. we

require military precision on the part of our remote

viewers. Each viewer

works independently and does not collaborate or

compare data with other

viewers. The training program employed to install those

unique skills which

enable the production of calibrated, consistent and

accurate results is

rigorous.

While at work a viewer's mind-body state could he

generally characterized

as one of high attention. To an unwitting observer a PSI-

TECH viewer could

easily be mistaken for someone engaged in an attempt to

solve a difficult

math or science problem. Conscious focus shifts between

the tasks of

directing the trained unconscious in a systematic

exploration of the assigned

target, breaking out (decoding) the target-associated

gestalt patterns of

information, then rendering the data as detailed words

and sketches, (or

models if necessary). Meticulous attention to technical

remote viewing

structure is required not only to correctly acquire the

target and maintain

lock-on but additionally to disallow subconscious analysis

and/or

imagination from interfering with the unconsciously

acquired signal.

Dames, a retired major in US Army Intelligence, is

apparently "being all that

he can be," bringing the skills he learned while in the

Army to the

marketplace. He claims that Psi-Tech has performed

these projects to date:

Enigma Penetration: The Tunguska Event; Enigma

Technologies: Advanced

Deep Space Propulsion Systems; Clandestine Iraqi

Biological Weapons

Facilities (Gratis in support of the United Nations CBW

Inspection Team); A

Relook of the KAL Flight 007 Shoot- down; Atmospheric

Ozone Depletion -

Projected Consequences and Remedial Technologies; and

the Saint-Exupery

Crash Site.

I'm sure we'd all like to find out what Psi Tech's RVing

has discovered on

these events, however, Dames regrets to inform us that

this is "proprietary"

information gleaned under contract. This would be

interesting enough on its

own, but Dames claims that fully 60% of his company's

time is spent RVing

(remote viewing) UFOs!

Here are a few of Mr. Dames statements regarding UFOs

(from a phone

conversation with Dan Smith):

RV's of many UFO events are blocked by external agency,

(cosmic

censorship?).

UFO type viewing encounters two types of entities: aliens

and angels. Aliens

are more physical with quasi-physical type craft. They

are in trouble and

need our resources, which they take, and if humans are

involved they

recieve mental impressions to confuse what is really

going on. The angels

are policing these alien activities. The angels technology

is more concerned

with the mental and transcendental or metaphysical

domains.

Ed uses the terms ground zero or ground truth to refer to

a spot in SW US

where much of their work is done. The angels led them to

this spot,

indicating that it would be a good place for contacting

aliens, about 10 years

ago. Various forms of contact then occurred.

Dames discussed eschatological implications at some

length. His group gets

indications of unavoidable bad stuff in the next couple of

decades.

Deleterious climate changes, storms adversely effecting

agriculture. He also

foresees a quasi-public contact with UFOs near the

ground zero site, within

one and a half years (August, 1993). It would be an

ongoing contact, of a

prophetic sort with both Angels and Aliens involved. His

review committee

will work out possible coverage. He is not so concerned

about a global

spiritual emergency, as about the physical

(meteorological?) emergencies.

So there you have it... UFOs plus psychic adepts equals

End of the World.

Of course, one could dismiss Dames as a bunko artist

selling his $6,000-

$8,000 a week services to an affluent but gullible

clientele. But before

dismissing Dames' claims, readers should be aware of a

few other pertinent

facts. On the Psi-Tech board of directors are two fairly

high-level players;

General Albert Stubblebine (US Army Intelligence, ret.),

and Colonel John

Alexander (ret.) both formerly of the US Army's

Intelligence and Security

Command (INSCOM).

Stubblebine, former commander of INSCOM, gave a

presentation at the

International Symposium on UFO Research (sponsored by

the International

Association for New Science, Denver CO, May 22-25,

1992) on the subject of

"Remote Viewing as a Research Tool." In this

presentation, Stubblebine

described remote viewing:

"It is independent of time, OK? So I can go past, I can go

present, I can go

future. It is independent of locations, so I can go

anywhere on this earth. I

can go into any closet, I can go into any mind, I can

access that information

at any location that I choose."

On the subject of RVing UFOs, Stubblebine said:

"As far as UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they

can be tracked, we

have looked at the propulsion system for them, that's not

a hard job, you can

track them back to where they come from, whether they

come from a place

here on this planet or whether they come from a place on

another planet,

they are trackable and you can take a look inside as well

as outside, so again,

it is a tool that is available to be used for the UFO

research and I guess, I

guess that's the reason that I am standing on this

platform in spite of my

misgivings and feeling a little bit nervous like a tree in a

Lassie movie."

Stubblebine also claimed that his remote viewing of the

planet Mars had

revealed structures and machines operating both on and

below the Martian

surface.

Many suspect that John Alexander is the "colonel"

referred to in Howard

Blum's recent book, "Out There". In this book, Blum

described a group of

remote viewers in the Pentagon who frequently

encountered UFOs in their

psychic "sorties" to locate Soviet submarines. Alexander

seems to have an

extremely eclectic background -- he received a PhD. in

Thanatology (the

study of death and near-death experiences) from

Georgetown University

under the tutelage of the celebrated Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-

Ross. Apparently,

Alexander is a "mind-control" junkie, having studied

everything from Silva

Mind Control, to a stint in a Buddhist monastery.

When the National Research Council issued its findings

that there was no

evidence of paranormal phenomena, Alexander wrote a

critique of the report

that was both passionate and eloquent. In this rebuttal,

he compared the

report's apparent a priori conclusions to the Condon

Commission's report on

UFOs. Interestingly, Alexander is widely believed to have

been instrumental

in the Army's UFO Intelligence activities, and is rumored

to have assisted in

the investigation of the Cash/Landrum UFO-injury case.

In addition to his Psi-Tech work, Alexander currently

heads a research

project at Los Alamos, New Mexico, focused on "non-

lethal" military

technology. "Non- lethal" in the conventional parlance

refers to methods of

eroding an enemy's war-making capabilities without the

excessive death and

destruction that could possibly harden an enemy's

resolve to fight, or cause a

moral revulsion in our own population that could weaken

political resolve to

continue a war until U.S. military objectives could be

achieved. Wiping-out

enemy radars and communication electronics through

powerful

electromagnetic pulses (EMP) is one type of non-lethal

weapon, spraying

roads and railroad tracks with a super-slippery lubricant,

thereby paralyzing

transportation, is another.

Alexander has been mentioned almost synonomously

with non-lethal

weapons technology in many mainstream news reports,

including a lengthy

piece in the Wall Street Journal. He is also rumored to be

a candidate for an

Undersecretary of Defense appointment in the Clinton

administration.

Surprisingly, Army Intelligence RV operations has

become married, literally,

with some prominent figures in UFO abductions research.

Albert Stubblebine

is now married to Dr. Rima Laibow, whose scholarly

paper on the abduction

phenomenon was the first (as far as I know) to address

the issue in the

mental-health community. John Alexander is now

married to the former

Victoria Lacas, Dr. Laibow's close associate.

This list of strange bedfellows gets even stranger when

you add the name of

CSETI founder and head honcho, Steven Greer, M.D., into

the mix. As it turns

out, Greer, whose modus operandi incorporates shining

blinking lights and

laser beams at UFOs in the hopes of establishing

communications with the

ufonauts, was trained in remote viewing by Ed Dames. In

fact, it was Dr.

Greer who introduced Stubblebine at the Denver

symposium.

So, what we have so far is that several former high-

ranking military

personnel (Stubblebine, Alexander,and Dames) who were

involved in

"psychic" research while in Army Intelligence, and who

are now actively

involved in the UFO research community. Further, Dames

has staked his

company's professional reputation on the prediction that

an overt contact

with aliens will occur in the Four Corners area by August

of 1993. Naturally,

August came and went without incident.

One of ufology's more cogent analysts, who is convinced

of the reality of

remote viewing based on his own personal search, told

me that Dames'

activities had resulted in the successful discrediting of

both UFOs and remote

viewing. Was this the plan all along or is Dames just a

charlatan?

"Black" Projects

Dan Smith explained that the reason that so much

information was being

disseminated was due to the eschatological implications

of the psychotronic

research underway at covert government research

facilities.

It would seem unlikely that this type of technology is

currently feasible.

After all, if the government had access to psychotronic

weapons, why didn't

they induce Saddam Hussein to stroll naked through the

streets of Baghdad,

asking his subjects to admire his new clothes; or simply

cause a major blood

vessel in his brain to burst?

But Smith sincerely believes that such technologies are

being developed,

specifically under the guise of "non-lethal" weapons

research, such as that

headed by John Alexander. Smith says, point-blank, that

this technology is

nothing less than "black magic."

Supposedly, this business is taken so seriously at upper

echelons that the

Secret Service retrieved all of the bloody bandages

discarded after Ronald

Reagan was wounded in an assassination attempt, lest the

president's blood

be used in a "black magic" ritual that could influence his

behavior. I suppose

this story is somewhat more credible after the

revelations concerning the

Reagan's "court astrologer."

According to Dan Smith, use of these psychotronic

techniques entail a

perilous threat to democracy -- potentially, a type of

instantaneous mass

mind control to program a pesky proletariat -- and

worse.

These claims should be taken into context of published

papers on the ability

to induce auditory sensations through microwave

bombardment at certain

frequencies. In Alexander's book, "The Warrior's Edge"

(with Morris and

Grollier), he states matter of factly that remote viewing

and psychokinesis

are not only real, but have predictable, practical

applications. Indeed, the

focus of the book is how to utilize mind control

techniques to achieve an

advantage over one's adversaries.

There's absolutely no telling what Cold War ethics

combined with unlimited

budgets and zero accountability could have wrought in

terms of

Frankensteinian scenarios. To ellucidate this point, I

present this extract

from a paper by Ray Boeche, a Lincoln, Nebraska,

theologian and Fortean

researcher.

"To all interested researchers:

The following is an edited version of material given to me

in late 1991 -

early 1992, by two scientists who claim to be working in

weapons research

and development for the Department of Defense.

I am not in a position to comment on the truthfulness or

accuracy of the

information. The two men who have spoken to me do, in

fact, exist,

and for all intents and purposes seem to be who and

what they claim. The

very nature of the claims makes verification difficult, if

not impossible.

Divulging this information was the result of a moral

dilemma, when these

two individuals, both Christians, became alarmed at the

course their research

efforts into psychotronic weapons was taking under the

direction of their

(unnamed) superiors. They described an obsessive effort

to contact and

attempt to control what they referred to as "non-human

intelligences" (NHI),

and to harness these NHI for military and intelligence

uses.

The efforts had progressed well past attempts at practical

applications of

David Bohm's theories, and had grown to encompass the

use of, according to

their statements, "satanic rituals / ritual magic along the

lines of that

espoused by Aleister Crowley, including human

sacrifices."

These gentlemen stated their concerns that, even when

they were

apparently able to harness or channel these forces or

abilities for "good"

uses, the force would "turn," and ultimately all of those

subjects involved

suffered varying degrees of negative effects from contact

with these forces.

They are convinced that what is being tapped into in all

instances is evil, and

that this research should cease.

Contact has continued on a limited basis, with no new

information of

significance forthcoming."

After speculation as to the physics of the paranormal,

Boeche sums up the

startling details he received:

Information given, but not allowed to note during

meeting: Discussion of

individuals killed during psychotronic weapons

experiments.

1. Male, white, 25-30 yrs., allegedly death by remotely

induced cardiac

arrest.

2. Female, white, 20-25 yr., allegedly death by remotely

transmitting and

creating head trauma equivalent to crushing of right

anterior portion of the

skull.

3. Male, white, 30-40 yrs., allegedly death by remotely

controlled

suffocation.

Setting was in a laboratory environment. Alleged victims

were wired for EEG

& EKG, seated in reclining chair, somewhat similar to

dentist's chair.

In efforts to establish contact with non-human

intelligences, every avenue is

being explored. Satanic rituals involving human sacrifice

have been

performed. Much study is/has been given to writings of

Crowley.

Bentwaters experiment was the projection of an actual,

physical three-

dimensional object, which could and did interact with its

environment, but

was create and controlled by individuals involved in this

research.

No project names were given because the sources were

too concerned that a

leak would be traced back to them."

Mr. Boeche used the term "scripted" (i.e. slow enough to

allow for copious

note-taking, except when he was asked to cease writing

during the

descriptions of the psychotronically induced deaths) to

describe the

presentation delivered by the two putative DoD scientists.

In my

communications with Mr. Boeche, he was at a loss to

explain why the two

DoD scientists were still working on projects they found

to be morally

repugnant, and if they really wanted to blow the whistle

on this activity,

why did they reveal it to an obscure ufologist and not the

New York Times or

"Nightline." I have to agree with Boeche's assessment that

the story is

probably disinformation for some unknown purpose.

The only question here is -- what could the motivation

be?

The story related by Ray Boeche is supported by Dan

Smith's thesis, i.e.

humans are messing with forces that are getting out of

control, perhaps with

disastrous consequences. According to Smith, these

"sorcerer's apprentices"

are going at it hot and heavy at government

psychotronics labs in or near

Los Alamos, New Mexico.

It has been rumored that there have already been

several high-level

meetings between those who are concerned about secret

psi/UFO programs

and representatives of the Clinton administration.

According to one rumor,

Pelican met with Jack Gibbons, the White House Science

Advisor. Gibbons is

reported to have responded that "the President shouldn't

touch this topic

with a 10-foot pole." Instead, meetings concerning these

"black" psi/UFO

projects have been channeled through the Vice-

President's office under the

cover story of "alternate energy sources." There have also

been meetings

with Senate Intelligence Committee Chief of Staff, Dick

DiAmato, who is said

to be interested in the ongoing strangeness at Area 51.

Variations on this rumor have John Alexander as the

contact with the Clinton

administration. This makes a certain amount of sense, in

that Alexander

knows Al Gore from his days as a Senator, when he

taught several

Congressmen, including Gore, some basic Neuro-Linguistic

Programming

techniques.

Interestingly, the subject of "Presidential Haircuts" may

be connected to this

affair. It has been independently reported to me that Mr.

Clinton had

another delay on the tarmac in Los Alamos, after his tour

of high-tech

research facilities in the area. This was just days before

the LAX / Christophe

incident. The inference from this is that either the

President's hair must

grow very fast, or else highly secure meetings are

occuring on airport

runways (presumably Air Force 1 is bug-free).

A Conversation with Pelican

In order to give Pelican an opportunity to confirm or

deny the eschatological

scenario presented by Dan Smith, I gave him a call.

Readers who expect

dramatic revelations will be disappointed, although

Pelican did provide some

interesting tidbits.

First, he sounded much younger than I expected. Second,

he had a very

sharp sense of humor (I had to laugh out loud several

times during the

course of our conversation). I limited my questions to the

subjects of

eschatology and the Aviary. His answers seemed

forthright -- he didn't seem

stressed to avoid any particular topic, and I found him to

be quite

convincing.

My first question dealt with with Dan's statements

concerning dangerous

"black" programs that were out of control. Curiously,

Pelican responded that

"Dan isn't cleared for that kind of information" -- not

exactly a repudiation of

Dan's story.

Pelican did admit that he talks to Dan frequently -- about

physics. When I

told him that Dan had been claiming to be a "conduit" for

semi-official

information from him, Pelican rather ambiguously stated,

"He may very well

be doing that... I talk to him once in a while and we share

information. I

really don't tell him anything that's classified or work-

related... he certainly

isn't functioning in the role of a conduit for me."

I quoted Dan Smith's statement to the effect that "the

best place to find

fellow eschatologists was in the intelligence agencies," to

which Pelican

responded "he didn't find any here" at CIA.

I inquired about the status of psychotronic weapons

research. Pelican was

dismissive of the entire subject, calling it "modern-day

shamanism." He also

stated that psychotronics is only taken seriously in

countries like Russia and

China that do not have the rigorous peer-reviewed

scientific establishment

such as in the U.S.

I raised the subject of Psi Tech, and Ed Dames' risking his

company's

reputation on his prediction of an overt alien contact in

the Chaco Canyon

area by the end of August '93. "What reputation? It's a

joke... the only

paying customer Psi Tech has ever had was Dan Smith

himself, who gave Psi

Tech $3,000 to remote view a crop circle being made,"

Pelican responded. I

asked about the high-level personnel on Psi Tech's board

of directors like

Stubblebine and Alexander. Pelican was dismissive of

Stubblebine,

recounting that Stubblebine's nick-name was "General

Spoonbender," due to

his belief in psychic phenomena. Pelican holds Alexander

in considerably

higher regard, however, stating, "he's a friend of mine."

Next, I asked about the Aviary. According to Pelican, the

Aviary is nothing

more than the product of the somewhat-deranged mind

of "Falcon," retired

Air Force Captain Robert Collins, who worked in Foreign

Technology

Assessment in regards to missile technology -- not AFOSI

as is widely

believed. Pelican said that Collins was discharged from

the Air Force after

breaching the security perimeter at the Manzano nuclear

weapons storage

facility at Kirtland AFB.

When taken into custody by base security, Collins told

them he was there "to

meet the President." He was discharged shortly thereafter

(Dan says that this

incident was orchestrated by Bill Moore, with the hapless

Collins left twisting

in the wind).

Soon after his discharge, Collins began mailing letters

"...with my real name

and address on the outside, and my codename on the

inside," said Pelican,

who considered these mailings such a hoot that he posted

them on his office

wall for the entertainment of his CIA colleagues.

All in all, an interesting conversation, but I was (as the

reader undoubtedly

is now) more confused than ever.

Of course, nobody is shocked any more by government

denials that turn out

to be less than truthful, but as I said before, Pelican was

very convincing. He

reiterated Dan Smith's proviso that I keep his name

confidential -- not to

keep him from being deluged by UFO kooks, but rather,

so he wouldn't

receive unwanted attention from foreign agents -- a

condition that I'll honor,

even though Pelican's real name is already well known to

researchers

following this story.

Alien Eschatology

Against this flurry of phone calls, rumors, denials, and

confirmations,

HUFON's own abduction research has uncovered an

eschatological angle. It

seems even the abductors are getting on the eschatology

band-wagon with

abductees reportedly meeting (or at least perceiving)

God, Jesus, dead

relatives, and the like, often with dire warnings

concerning "the end of the

world."

Senior HUFON abductions investigator Dale Musser does

not take these

accounts at face value, nor does he reject them outright.

Musser had this to

say about "spiritual" aspects of the abduction

phenomenon:

"This theory is one held by a number of abductees. Most

of these abductees

have been told by the abductors that the aliens have the

right (implication of

a divine nature) to do the things they are doing to the

abductees. That they

are here to save the earth (exact means of doing this vary

from subject to

subject) and to help us. Usually the abductee is told they

were "chosen" and

are made to feel important because of this selection.

Often they are told that

at a later date they will 'know what to do,' or they will

"understand when

the time is right." The true nature of the beings

themselves is never

explained, but left to the individual to determine. Many

believe them to

possibly be angels, or other entities, in service to a deity.

There does not

seem to be any clearly defined message, nor are the

messages consistent

from one abductee to another.

"There are several problems with this theory from an

investigative

standpoint. First there is even less proof for their

statements than for the

abduction itself. The vagueness of the messages certainly

does not relate to

trying to convince us of their concern about the issues.

Second, the means

and methods of relaying the messages have the lowest

probability of

achieving results. Third, the messages given are usually

interpreted after an

event has occurred rather then before, therefore, one

never knows for sure

if that's what was truly intended. Most events predicted,

or messages

conveyed which are to be understood later, almost never

happen, and those

that do are subject to question. Fourth, the religious

significance of the

abductors is usually relevant to the belief system of the

abductee. It is not

universal to all abductees.

"It would appear the abductors 'access' the belief system

of the abductee and

play back a scenario that will be acceptable to the

abductees and make them

more cooperative. If the individual is Judeo-Christian, the

aliens and their

purposes will appear to fit within that system. If the

subject is a Buddhist,

the scenario will be within that belief system. However

this is not always

true. In one case, an abductee (who was Christian) was

presented with a

totally pagan and mythical belief scenario. A mistake, or

a test? Who

knows?

"What we do know is that there does not appear to be

any consistency to

information in these events other than making the

individual believe the

abductors are here on some sort of divine mission. It is

interesting to note

that atheists seldom have encounters where they are

presented with

religious scenarios. Often they are presented with the

idea the aliens are

here to help us prevent the same fate which supposedly

befell their own

world. It is hard to believe there is any truth to these

spiritual connections

and beliefs when so many differing ones are presented,

some in conflict with

the other. The conclusion one could draw from the data

presented is

"whatever works, they will use."

So, the abducting entities can't seem to keep their stories

straight. One

would expect at least consistency from advanced alien

beings, heavenly

angels or demons from hell -- whatever they may be.

Novelist Whitley Strieber, whose abduction experiences

are described

vividly in his non-fiction books, "Communion" and

"Transformation"

recounted that when he asked the entities what they

were up to, they

responded "We recycle souls." He too was shown "lessons"

concerning a

catastrophe affecting the earth.

Strieber, who has become "alienated" from organized

ufology due to his

refusal to categorize the entities he encountered as

extraterrestrial aliens,

can only characterize the phenomenon as "not a dream,

not a hallucination,

and not real - something else."

Which brings me back to the subject at hand: what is

going on?

In a word, confusion. There seems to be no correlation

between the

perceived abduction events and Dan Smith's

eschatological emergency

caused by the practice of "black magic." Smith does seem

to be hedging his

bets at times. He has told me that the eschaton event

could be a "benign

eschaton," consisting of a universal and positive shift in

human behavior due

to Revealed Truth. I could go for that...

Just as occurred in the waning days of the year 999,

when millennialism

swept through Europe causing a virtual societal

breakdown, today there is a

growing millennialist movement where many of the

faithful foresee a period

of catastrophic "Earth changes," and Armageddon, the

fulfillment of biblical

prophesy.

Fundamentalist Christians eagerly await this disaster

because it will usher in

a thousand-year kingdom of Jesus on Earth.

New-Age channelers are also getting into the act with

messages from angels/

avatars/aliens warning of imminent "Earth changes"

along with warnings

against gun control, Zionism, the "New World Order," and

other right-wing

paranoid delusions.

When considering these claims, one would be remiss in

not pointing out the

upsurge in reports of Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM)

sightings, and other

paranormal events of religious significance to the

experiencers. As with the

many New Age channeled messages, many of the

reported Marion locutions

warn of "Earth changes" and the "End Times." Starting in

1981, the most

spectacular and long-lasting BVM visitation (with scads of

witnesses to the

"miracles") occurred in Medjugorje, on the Adriatic coast

of Bosnia

Herzegovinia, now one of the most horrifi hell-holes on

the planet. So much

for the positive spiritual effects one might expect from

from such beatific

locutions. Maybe things just aren't what they seem.

Anyone familiar with UFO-abduction accounts is forced to

conclude that

weird things are happening or at least being perceived as

happening by

large numbers of otherwise sane, functional peopIe. Some

of these

abductions reports are so bizarre, and with so many

similarities to BVM

encounters, that many thoughtful researchers have

abandoned the

extraterrestrial hypothesis in favor of the metaphysical

or interdimensional

hypothesis.

Dr. Jacques Vallee has even incorporated the high

strangeness of these

events into his comprehensive catalogue of close

encounters under the rubric

of "reality transformation."

As author/futurist Arthur C. Clark is quoted as saying,

any sufficiently

advanced technology will be indistinguishable from

magic. David Mayo took

this concept a step further when he stated that if

advanced technology

appears to be magic, then technology an order of

magnitude beyond that

could have the appearance of nonsense to our primitive

simian brains.

But if there really is such a thing as "black magic," and

government scientists

are experimenting with it, I suspect that they could be

blindly running the

same risks in dealing with such unknown forces as the

19th-century

scientists who thought nothing of casually handling

radium and other

radioactive materials.

With the clock inexorably ticking off the seconds until

midnight, December

31, 1999 (a date that seems to have some special

significance to the

millennialists) eschatological fervor will undoubtedly

increase. Meanwhile,

whoever or whatever is behind the UFO phenomenon is

apparently doing

everything possible to keep the true nature of this

mystery from being

understood.

But rather than being an indicator of biblical "End Times"

or "Earth changes,"

the barrage of UFO reports, BVM sightings, abduction

accounts, channeled

messages, religious hysteria, and inside poop from the

CIA are probably

nothing more than further attempts to distort the signal

with more noise.

Many thanks to Robert Durant, Dale Musser, Ray Boeche,

George Hansen, Ron

Madeley and of course, Dan Smith for their assistance on

this story.

Monster in the Wilderness

by C. Zickuhr

The HAARP project being constructed near Gakona, Alaska will create the

largest-of-its-kind ionospheric heater using computer controlled radio frequency

transmitters. HAARP, which stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research

Project, is a joint effort of the Air Force and the Navy. HAARP program

manager, John Heckscher, claims that it is a research project with both military

and civilian benefits yet only military experiments can be found in the

documentation for the project. The acronym implies something to do with the

aurora, but none of the project papers mention that aspect. What sounds like an

engineering feat deserving of public accolade, has remained suspiciously low

profile, almost unknown to most Alaskans as well as the rest of the country.

Documents acquired from the Office of Naval Research via the Freedom Of

Information Act reveal a more ominous purpose for HAARP. According to these

documents, the U.S. military believes the former Soviet Union has similar

heaters with which they claim to have achieved higher levels of ionospheric

reaction than possible so far in the "West". Although smaller in size than the

HAARP project, there are many other ground based transmitting heaters in

operation around the world; Tromso, Norway and Arecibo, Puerto Rico among them.

Can these heaters already be changing the weather, and have they somehow

contributed to the recent climate-based catastrophes in the U.S? Might

migratory species traveling through the "rays" have already experienced

irreversible damage? How many humans have contracted cancers that might have

remained dormant if not "excited" by these transmissions? When Russia's

Zhirinovsky speaks of secret weapons, is he referring to their version of HAARP?

HAARP first came to my attention in the spring of 1993, when a neighbor and

airline pilot brought me materials on the project. The FAA had briefed

commercial pilots in Alaska on changes needed to avoid interference from future

HAARP transmissions. As a ham radio operator, my neighbor assumed that I had

some knowledge of the "giant transmitter" and its effect on other

communications. After making inquiries to other hams, a few recalled seeing

announcements for public meetings in Glenallen and Anderson, Alaska. Several

then attended these Draft Environmental Impact meetings and gathered

information.

FAA personnel, pilots, communications engineers and others raised serious

questions during the HAARP Draft Environmental Impact Statement process.

According to official statements, these questions were all properly addressed in

the Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS). Closer examination reveals a

different story. Local FAA engineers, aware of the heavy safety dependency of

airplane communications, voiced strong objections. The national FAA, however,

overrode these objections and gave HAARP the green light after "assurances" that

lower level concerns would be accommodated. The FEIS admits that all forms of

radio communication are subject to interference, yet completely ignores the

concerns expressed in many of the comments. Individuals, organizations and

agencies that use radio for their day-to-day livelihood were left with a "let us

know and we'll try to mitigate it" promise. It is important to remember the

definition of mitigation is "to reduce", not "to eliminate". What recourse does

the Alaskan Bush communicator have when their radio transmissions are rendered

useless by HAARP? That is their only form of communication.

The FEIS and other Department of Defense documents indicate that interference

problems would be too great to allow it to be located near other military

facilities in Alaska. What kind of monster is it that they can't even locate it

near existing military bases? Even the National Telecommunications and

Information Administration (NTIA) has reservations about HAARP transmissions.

They would only permit one of the test sites (Mineral Wells, Texas) to operate

and so far have declined to extend all the requested frequency/power privileges

necessary for the Alaska site. The enormous lobbying power of the military may

overwhelm reason and force the NTIA to go along with the HAARP request. After

all, Gakona is a "virtually uninhabited" area of the world.

Electromagnetic radiation has drawn increasing interest in the form of health

impact studies and research worldwide. The HAARP project will generate massive

amounts of intentional and some unintentional radiation. The HAARP

environmental impact statements deny possible biological effects on humans,

citing obsolete IEEE standards that basically say if the radiation isn't causing

you to feel heat, it does not harm you. The preponderance of current studies

indicate there can by promotion of cancer growth, disorientation, and other

negative physical effects from low level, non-heating electromagnetic radiation.

Why have our government agencies given their affirmation to something so clearly

controversial?

After searching for answers to HAARP questions for the past year and a half,

what has surfaced are very few answers and many more questions. How dangerous

is HAARP (some physicists fear severe planetary consequences)? Commenting on

HAARP in the April, 1994 issue of Physics and Society, C. L. Herzenberg says

"...this technology does present issues that need to be publicly addressed by

the technical community". Can HAARP change the ionosphere and weather

patterns?? Can HAARP disrupt worldwide communications?? Can HAARP damage or

destroy wildlife?? Will HAARP radiation change the migration habits of animals

that come near it?? Can HAARP cause cancer?? Can the ionospheric effects of

HAARP be controlled?? Why has the project been kept low profile and secretive,

by the sponsors and the contractor (an ARCO subsidiary)? UPDATE: JUNE 1994 -

ARCO sold their subsidiary to E-Systems, the 41st largest U.S. defense

contractor noted for their counter surveillance work. Why have Alaska's public

officials avoided providing serious answers to the public's questions?? Anything

that can generate these questions deserves the MONSTER title and our serious

attention.

Additional pieces to the puzzle that have shown themselves only serve to

heighten speculation that we are not getting clear and concise answers. There

is a connection to the recently installed Cray supercomputer at UAF and to the

Geophysical Institute there. There is an obvious power requirement that might

be met by a proposed coal power plant at Healy, connected by a proposed power

distribution intertie. Some of the experiments will require "seeding" the

ionosphere with chemicals that could be delivered by rockets from the Poker

Flats rocket range near Fairbanks. Patents held by the ARCO subsidiary building

HAARP describe a similar ionospheric heater and claim abilities to stop

missiles, change weather, and disrupt global communications. The inventor,

Bernard Eastlund, claims he was hired by ARCO to find a use for their Alaska

North Slope gas deposits; hence, his inventions described in the patents.

Microwave News May/June, 1994 reported Eastlund said "The HAARP project

obviously looks a lot like the first step toward this."

The Gakona location is interesting as it was once destined to become an

over-the-horizon radar facility. The Cold War ended before it could be

completely built. This left the military with a remote location with buildings

and generating equipment partially completed, and a choice - either restore it

to its original natural condition or find another use. HAARP conveniently fits

the site. Is the choice of this remote site for these monster transmitters more

a factor of fewer people to complain? Does it reduce the number of humans

exposed to HAARP transmissions thereby reducing the liability? What about the

wildlife in the area, what exposures will they be subjected to? One need only

remember experiments of another era that generated nuclear fall-out killing and

crippling humans and animals in its path. It only took forty to fifty years to

get the agencies involved to admit liability.

In order to get an idea of just how large the HAARP transmitters are, imagine

all the ham radio operators in the United States (there are over 500,000)

transmitting at their maximum allowed power from one giant antenna. That still

would not be as powerful as HAARP's multi-gigawatt (giga = billion) radiation

capability. The average Alaskan ham can communicate across the state with less

power than will be in the unintentional harmonics and side-lobes radiated by

HAARP.

What exactly will HAARP do? According to HAARP project documents it will

"perturb" the ionosphere with extremely powerful beams of energy. Using

polarized, pulsating radio frequency transmissions to perform experiments which

include devising methods to destroy the communications capabilities of others

(presumably an adversary) while preserving their own communications.

Experiments with mirroring and reflecting abilities of the ionosphere (abilities

we currently depend on for all forms of communication) will be carried out to

see what military purposes may be served by the resulting changes. An apt

analogy that springs to mind is that of an inquisitive youngster poking a

sleeping bear with a stick, to see what might happen! What will we do once the

monster is unleashed?

The Alaska location was partially picked for its alignment with the earth's

magnetic force lines. Military experiments with the magnetosphere also appear

to be planned. And again the scientists warn of possible dire consequences,

including setting the earth into some unexpected vibration or oscillation,

similar to an axis wobble. Many scientists such as Richard Williams writing in

Physics and Society in April, 1988 have denounced this kind of testing as

irresponsible and downright dangerous, fearing long term negative ionospheric

effects. Also, like any magnet, the force lines will react at their opposite

pole, near Australia and New Zealand. Australians are concerned enough to

consider sending a team to Alaska to document and investigate HAARP. Shouldn't

Alaskans be interested too?

A group of NO HAARP activists is seeking to formalize their opposition by

incorporating as a non-profit organization or affiliating with an existing

group. Their prime purposes will be to promote awareness, file legal actions

and other activities focused specifically on HAARP, something no group is

currently doing. In fact, probably due to the remoteness of the Gakona

location, it has been difficult to get outsiders interested. We are quite aware

that the promoters of HAARP fully realize that they have the upper

organizational hand and the money to outlast our grassroots opposition. Those

of us in NO HAARP are committed to doing what we can to stop the project before

it comes on-line with full power in 1997. Considering the project has been

underway since the mid-1980's, this will be a difficult task. Luckily it was

not completely funded as of a year ago. There is hope that legislative

alternatives to stop it may exist as well. John Heckscher was quoted by

Microwave News in the May/June, 1994 issue saying that "money for completion of

the demonstration project is in place . . . but the larger facility would

require additional funding from Congress". Unfortunately, this additional

funding is likely to be buried deep in the DOD budget.

What can you do? Of course you can try to "write your congress person". The

Alaska delegation to congress is noted for their alignment with the military so

don't expect too much action from them. Send contributions for the NO HAARP

effort to Jim Roderick, P.O. Box 916, Homer, AK 99603. You can lobby with the

NTIA to turn down the HAARP frequency/power request. You can make others aware

of the HAARP project and the questions it raises.Contact Eric Nashlund at

907-8223602 or snail at HCO-1 Box 271 Copper Center, AK. 99573

Kirtland AFB is the source of information through FOIA that we have

received info on this projrect. Later Larry

The following speech was given by Major General Stubblebine, an important

advocate of the military use of psi and related techniques>

MAJOR GENERAL ALBERT N. STUBBLEBINE, III

LECTURE ON REMOTE VIEWlNG AS A RESEARCH TOOL

International Symposium on UFO Research

Sponsored by the International Association for New Science

Denver, Colorado, May 22-25, 1992

(Introduction by Dr. Steven Greer of Gen. (Ret.) Stubblebine's military career

as Commanding officer of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command

(INSCOM), his efforts to study unusual human performance for the Army, his

involvement as Chairman of the Board of Direcsors of Psi-Tech, his

association with TREAT and with Soviet Technology Transfer, etc

GEN. STUBBLEBINE: (Begins with casual remarks on "why a person like me is

in a place like this talking to a group of people like you on a subject like

wherever it is we are talking today; continues with casual jokes about

rapturing the audience, ethnic jokes about Hittites "with a slight Japanes

flavor" about kamakaze pilots on WW2, leading to the phrase, "Are you ou of

your fucking mind? That, ladies and gentlemen, is the title of this talk

because what I plan to talk is remote viewing"). So what is remote viewing?

(From now abbreviated as RV--ed.) First of all, it is a very systematic, very

controlled method of accessing inforrnation that is not normally available by

any other source, that's about fi~ll isn't it? Accessible information that is not

accessible by any other source. I told you, if you either did it or believe in it,

you probably would be out of your mind because everyone knows that that

is not a doable do, can't do that, however, we can and we do, so first of all let

me tell you a little bit about what remote viewing is. It is independent of

time, OK? So I can go past, I can go present, I can go future. It is independent

of location, so I can go anywhere on this earth, I can go into any closet, I can

go into any mind, I can access that information at any location that I choose.

It is independent of space, therefore, I can access that information any place

in on the planet or off of it if I choose; and it is independent of

countermeasures, I believe I put a caveat on the last one, not a caveat on the

first, small caveat on the last one because all of the research has not been

done at this stage on the counter measures. There are indications that some

counter measures are possible, we have bumped on indications of counter

measures but that piece of research has not been done at this stage of the

game, so I believe it is independent of most counter measures, I am not

totally convinced that is independent of all countermeasures. What is

remote viewing not, if I can screw my English there? What will RV not do,

OK? Well, first of all, it is not a panacea, it is not a end-all to all end-alls, it

provides threads, it provides ldeas, it provides detailed information, but it

should not, we do not and should not be used as an absolute panacea, an

absolute truth; it needs to be, that information that's gleaned from the RV set

needs to be taken and co-related with all other information that you know in

order to make the picture that you then makes decisions and

recommendations from there is a lot of differences between using it as an

end-all and using it a a tool, as a tool to provide you information that you-

cannot get in othe ways and to make sense of the picture that you think,

there is a lot of difference between using it as gospel and using it as a tool to

be integrated with the rest of the tools that are available.

What is it not? lt does not not at this stage of the game, do numbers well nor

does it do words well or letters well. For instance, I could not go in and read

a report that is in somebody's safe, I might be able to get the essence of that

report but I could not read it, I can get sensings of it but I cannot at this

stage of the game go in and do the reading, and numbers or particular hard

letters are hard, OK? What is it not? It is not a tool to be used by the callous

or the undisciplined or those people who have for want of another word or

another thought, let me call it an evil intent and I know that word has all

kinds of ramifications, but it is tool that is to be used to help, not a tool that

is to be used for illicit purposes, so that gives you a little bit of an idea of

what it can do and what it can't do.

I frequently get the question what is the difference between RV and natural

or personal psychic abilities, I get that question very frequently from people

who don't understand when they listen to the words that I am talking about,

so they say, ah! but I know a psychic who does, so they say what is the

difference between what you do in a RV sense and what they do in a pure

natural, psychic fashion or manner? There are a couple of differences and

the first one is the training- The training for our viewers in a one year, six-

stage training course, one year six stages, OK? so there is an incredible

amount of very carefully monitored, very carefully metered very carefully

controlled process that is taught to all of our remoteviewers, and as Steven

(Greer--ed.) indicated, I am the Chairman of the Board of this company

called Psi Tech and we have six remote viewers, a of whom have been

through the one year training as well as a lot of expierence of doing RV itself,

each one of those is a very well trained, very controlled person, very highly

disciplined individual- Sometime ago whe we had the draft, we haven't had

the draft in the Army for a long period of time, but at one time the Pentagon

was considering the kind of people it ought to draft, the ones that would

really make good soldiers, and the conclusion was that they should be

married, and somebody said, I understand, very simple, they learn how to

take orders. Well, yes, true of the people who do the RV, they must be

willing to follow the instructions, the sort of programming, the methodology

that is used.

The second major discipline in all of this is that there is a very carefully

established protocol or methodology through which and by which remote

viewers are actaully given their task and how they do both their RV as well

as their reporting, so there is an incredibly tight protocol established to

make sure that the information that we are getting out of the data bank--

and let me through out a theorem, that there is a huge data bank that exists

out there that can be accessed, OK? there is a huge bank out there, all you

got to do is go access it, who can access it? Anybody, anybody can access that

data bank, alright, these remote viewers did not have any special psychic

abilities before we select to training, they didn't, OK? they were just like you

and I, or almost, but pretty close, they were just straight normal people who

we trained to do this process. Incidentally, how many people in this

audience either think they are, or believe they are or play at being a psychic,

or do psychic channeling, readings or anyhting (It seems that first there is

only a small show of hands that grows at Stubblebine's urging--ed.) The

difference between the two is first of all the training, second the controlled

mechanisms in which we handle our remote viewers. Now let me kind of

walk you through a typical problem to give you some sense of how it occurs.

Lets assume an airplane crash, its relatively easy task to do, all we do is we

take three of our viewers and we will tell those three viewers as much

information about the crash as we know, a) it was an airplane, b) it was Pan-

Am, c) it was flying over wherever, Colorado, and it was at such and such a

time and it disappeared, and no one knows where it went, OK? What

happened? The other three, now, we don't do that, all we do with the other

three is we give them a controlled coordinate, incidentally the controlled

coordinate is not the coordinate of the plane crash site because we don't

know where that is, it is nothing more than a control for the controller of the

exercise to measure that all of the remote viewers are on the same sheet of

music. Each of the viewers now goes in and independently does his or her

thing--incidentally all of our viewers right now are males, however, I have

had female viewers and so that's not, how do I express it? Right now we are

very sexist, we have all males, however, that is not a bar to do RV, as a

matter of fact women do very, very well as long as we can get them to the

controlled protocol. I will tell you that one who we tried to train who was

already a natural psychic, did not work well because the natural psychic

ability kept overiding the control mechanisms and therefore we were having

trouble making sure that everything stayed within the discipline and within

the control box. The all six then go off independently and do their thing, and

when they come back, theywrite out their report and provide each of the six

reports to the controller, the controller now takes the six reports and begins

to analyze the reports to see wherc the similarities and where the

differences are, and from that, you then decide, or the controller decides

whether you need to send that viewer back into session again for additional

detail. For instance, and it frequently happens that one viewer will get a tail

number or an indication of a tail number, you know, I told you numbers are

hard but the tail numbers are relatively large numbers and so sometimes

you can get an indication of the tail number; the sencond one will get you a

crash site that is on top of a mountain or a third of the way down the

mountain; another one may get you a piece of a coordinate or get you a

coordinate, know exactly where that is, another one will get you that

everybody is dead or most are dead but some are still alive, so you get

different essences out of the six remote viewers.

Incidentally the remote viewers do not have to be on a single location, and

most of ours are not, many are in the larger Washington metroplitan area,

but one of them is in Minnesota and another one is out in Kansas, so they do

not need to be co-located when they are doing their work. Each sesslon

incidentally is about a 45 minute session, we find that you go much beyond

45 minutes and you are beginning to run into lapses or a lapse in the energy

field and youbegin to slip off the quality of the information, so we try to

limit the sessions to about 45 minutes. After the controller has taken a look

at each one of the reports, he then decides on what additional work needs to

be done, do you send it back to get additional data or you are satisfied with

what you got, you have enough now that you can go out and write a report

for the individual or the company that paid you to do the RV to begin with,

so that gives you at least a sense of how one of these projects would work.

Let me talk now about some examples. I mentioned that you can go into the

past or you can go into the future. Tomorrow, I believe, you get two sessions,

one is with Scott Jones who I believe is going to talk about Tunguska, which

was a project that Psi Tech did, and obviously, the event in Tunguska

happened way in the past; you also will also heard from Dr. Laibow, she is

not talking about her project, but Psi Tech did a project for her and for

TREAT on the Phobos-2 probe, that information was quite revealing

released any of it at this stage of the game because we are working with the

Soviets and trying to get confirmation from the Soviet system as to to the

accuracy of the Psi Tech RV report-so that we can get some co-relation as to

the quality of project, a) that large and b) that complex. So incidentally the

Phobos-2 probe disappeared off of Soviet radar screen just suddenly, it was

operating and suddenly it wasn't, and so there was a lot of curiosity about

what occurred, and there has been a lot of speculation as to what really

occurred to the craft, and if the remote viewers are correct, it will be a quite

a revelation when we finally get the confirmation that we think is available

out of the Soviet Union.

In any event, those two are projects of the past, let me now talk about

projects that were of the future, that are no longer of the future, but they

were at the time that they were done. One was a very large corporation here

in the United States wanted to know what the power source was going to be

on the lunar station on the moon when it finally got there, and we said, that

sounds like an interesting project, so we took a look at that. Now that had a

couple of components, one was what was going to be the power source, and

also there was an indication that they wanted to mine the rock on the moon,

the lunar rock, in order to extract both the hydrogen and oxygen, you

combine the two you get water which you can drink, but you also get energy

which you can use for an energy source, but you also get oxygen which you

can breath, so it sounded kind of neat.

However, when we looked at it, that's not what we found, what we found

was a small, portable existing nuclear reactor, OK? That sounded neat

because it was already here, it existed on this earth, there was one problem

with it, it wasn't in the United States, as a matter of fact it was in the Soviet

Union, and everybody said, oh my goodness gracious, that can't possibly be,

as a matter of fact the client in this case said, I didn't want to hear that

answer, OK? I really didn't want to hear that, besides I can't get to that

reactor anyway because the Soviet is still a closed system, OK? Well, I don't

know whether you have been reading the newspapers lately, but there is or

has been in the newspapers a system, a Soviet system called TOPAZ, and

TOPAZ, the United States just bought or just arranged to buy, I don't think its

gotten here yet but it arranged to get it here, and it is a small portable

existing nuclear reactor that is suitable for space, OK? and that work was

done for this corporation about three years before, two and a half years

earlier, so the work was done but it was done for a future event, and in

essence at least part of that future event appears to have taken place... (End

of Side A)...

The lunar exploration is actually up there and operating and that's the

system they have, I can't (do anyhting about it?) because we haven't got

there yet, thats what the indicators are. The second kind of interesting

project dealt with again a very large U.S. corporation that had extensive

interest in the price of oil in the Middle East and what would be the impact

of what was going on in the Middle East and what would it look like when it

was all over; in other words, they really were interested in after the dust

settled over in that part of the world, what was the situation going to be so

that this corporation could make up its mind how it wanted to posture itself

vis-a-vis the then time frame, now the time frame was August 1990 and

that was during Desert Shield, not desert Storm but desert Shield. The

project was to look inside (Saddam) Hussein's head and find out what he was

thinking and where he was going and what he was going to do, now this was

ahead of time, I want you to know this was before Desert Storm, this was

Desert Shield, alright? The attempts, in spite of two assasnation attempts he

would stlll bc there and he would still be in charge, OK? Well, one of those

assasination attempts has been verified, I've never seen any intelegence or

information or corrobarotion about the second assassination attempt, I know

that one was attempted, OK? He obviously is still alive. The second piece of

that not asked for, but clearly indicated as picked up by the viewers as they

looked at it, was a huge oil fire, huge oil conflagration. Well that's kind of

interesting because that obviously also occurred.

Now let me get back to the sort of the psychics versus the remote viwers

because I don't admit this and God and this is on tape too, Jesus Oh Boy! I am

not a trained remote viewer, I am not a natural psychic, OK? However, I do

get, I am highly visual and I do get lots of interesting images; about two

months before the fires actually occurred in the Middle East, before Hussein

actually set fire to the oil wells. I had seen an incredibly dramatic image; and

it was of a huge fire; now the fire, I can see this incredible set of black

smoke and I could see vertically what to be sticks, you know, I could see the

base of, and I concluded that is was a forest fire, OK? and so i took it out of

Kuwait and I moved it somewhere else in the world because there are no

trees in Kuwait to have a forest fire with, you know, logic tells you that there

are no trees, therefore you cannot have a forest fire, therefore, it cannot be

Kuwait, boom, all right?

Wrong! Wrong! The minutes those pictures came on TV I knew

instantaneoulsy that that's what I had seen, and what I had misp~ the trees

with oil rigs, OK? Now, what happens in that case is wha overlay, and it is

part of the protocol to remove that overlay fron remote viewers so that you

don't get that misconclusion or that misdirection, it is precisely what we do

in the controlled process, protocol that extracts the overlay away from the

expierence of the individuals See, my expierence says if you got stick you got

trees got trees you got forest fires, if you got forest fires you are not in

Kuwait right? Boom! See the logic? All of that was overlay that I put there

myself, now we don't allow that with our remote viewers and we do have a

protocol that stops that dead in its tracks and removes that overlay do that

we don't get the expierential piece in there, we get access to the data is in

the data base to bring it back and give it pure, that's the system and that's

the primary difference between the sort of the pure psychic and what we

believe to be the remote viewers, or our trained remote viewers. (Jokes

about onions with long ears that occasionally bring tears to your eyes) That

really is the neat part about remote viewing because occasionally you get

right on the money, so much so that bring tears to your eyes if you are right

there, that's kind of the essence of the difference between those two

elements.

Let me talk to you about where you might take this kind of a tool and do

something with it, and again I am not sure I want to be on tape for this. We

have looked at Mars, we have looked at UFOs, we spent some time looking at

Mars, tomorrow I believe that you are going to hear a presentation on the

Mars phenomena, and if I am correct, that you will be told that there are

structures on the surface of Mars. I will tell you for the record that there are

structures underneath the surface of Mars that cannot be seen by the

Voyager cameras that went by in 1976, which is what you are going to hear

tomorrow; I will also tell you that there are machines on the surface of Mars

and there are machincs under the surface of Mars that you can look at, you

can find out in detail, you can see what they are, where they are, who they

are and a lot of detail about them. Now, you can do that through RV and I

defy any sensor anywhere in this world today that can do that kind of

analysis or give you those kinds of leads, it just doesn't exist today. Now,

someday we will put a Mars station, someday we will go there, someday we

will see all of this, someday we will find it, but today you do not have any

capability to verify what I am saying so I can I say it, which makes it nice.

As far as the UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they can be tracked,

we have looked at the propulsion system for them, that's not a hard job, you

can track them back to where they come from, whether they come from a

place here on this planet or whether they come from a place on another

planet, they are trackable and you can take a look inside as well as outside,

so again it is a tool that is available to be used for the UFO research and I

guess, I guess that's the reason that I am standing on this platform in spite

of my misgivings and feeling a little bit nervous like a tree on a Lassie

program. Last but not least, let me explore the fact that this technology has

not been proven in terms of a Mars or a UFO kind of a tool, I will tell

you, however, though, because one of the things which I am sure is going

through everybody's mind is what is the statistical success rate if you will,

how good are you, how good are your remote viewers, where do they stand.

Are they 50-50, because I can flip a coin and do that; are they at 51 versus

49, because if they are that's better than the flip of a coin. I will tell you that

its better than a B-plus, better than a B-plus, now for all of you who

remember, I had trouble remembering that far back to High School, it was

about 200 years ago, but if my recollection is correct, B-plus was about 85 or

better. If you do it properly and begin to take the project, get the large

overview, take it down like a telescopic lens to the next layer, take it down

to the next telescopic lens cut out into the next layer and kecp going down

until you are down to the nuts and bolts, that number can go as high as 95

percent success rate, it is a phenomenal tool, it is a phenomenal tool. We

have failures, yeah, we have some, not often but we do, occasionally you get

noise, you get an overide of some sort, and that's why I said I am not sure

about all of the counter measures at this stage of the game, OK?

Just one second, there have been people who have told me that its a crazy

notion, that why would you ever risk your reputation doing something like

this, why would you ever accept something like this. Well, my feeling is a

little bit like the notion that if you try and don't succeed, you give up, my

thought is if you try and don't succeed, don't play Russian roulette, however,

if you keep at this remote viewing set or use or think about this tool, I am

sure that we can unlock a number of the mysteries that still confound us in

the enigmas in all of our our thinking, its a tool that's available, its a tool that

is now and its a tool that needs to be stressed and used to find out where its

limits are. I have put some literature down here in front for people who

would like to pick up some of the literature from Psi Tech that is available.

You know, I don't like the phrase don't cross the bridge until you get to it,

and the reason that I don't like that phrase is that there are lots of leaders

who would cross bridges in their imaginations hundreds of miles ahead of

the main procession, and they did spend the bridge, and in closing I will

state, and I don't know who said this, but there is an interesting phrase that

I like that says, don't go or don't follow the trail that others have gone off,

instead make your own path, grow your own path, but, but leave a trail

behind, OK? That's what RV is right now, its an exact position as a pioneer of

where the RV is, now, I believe there were a couple of questions back here,

yes.

(Mentions this is not on his time and that he is finished. Dr. Greer adds that

there is a live TV crew and some ten minutes available to answer questions

from the audience).

(Q from audience on futher details about Psi Tech's protocols).

OK, let me answer the last one first, the protocol was developed by Ingo

Swann who is himself a natural psychic, and he has patented the protocol,

that's first and foremost; the second, where we get the errors, the errors

appear to come out of interference, now what is interference? Interference

appears to be some counter measure of some sort, so there appears to be

some areas that we are having trouble accessing, it appears that when you

have trouble accessing them that there is a wall that has been built up, I

don't know, I guess I'd call it a psychic wall of some sort. (Audience

interjects comment) You get, you sort of bang up against a wall, you go bonk.

I have just been reminded that Ed Dames who is the president of Psi-Tech

and is himself a remote viwer, but he doesn't do much, he acts more as the

control. (Mentions Ed's talk in Atlanta for TREAT IV and the transcripts will

be available sometime in the future).

(Q about mental state of the viewers). Completely passive, totally passive

obviously is a state of mind, the individual state of mind, heavily Theta, for

those of you who understand brainwaves, its a Theta brainwave state of

mind that they are in, we've actually measured some of them and they are

very heavy in the Theta brainwave arena, but it is totally passive as far as I

can tell, there is no active instrument other than the mind that is accessing

the information.

(Q on to what extent are major Government using RV) I haven't the foggiest

freaking ass idea (laughter). You did see foreign governments, thats what I

thought you said. (Questioner clarifies he said major governments). Rule one,

I will not talk about anything that preceded my retirement, OK? excuse me, I

will not talk about anything that preceded my retirement that is classified,

that's a better way of expressing it, so anybody that and I have been asked

that question over and over and over and over again, I made an oath, I have

no intention of breaking that oath. Now, let's talk about foreign governments

because that's a different story. The Soviets have been doing RV, they call it

extra-sense, they have been doing that for years, at one time the Soviet

budget, the second highest part of the Soviet budget was in paranormal,

parapsychological experts that's not true today but that was true probably

six years ago. at least six years ago, that was a true statement, so the second

highest right behind the defense budget was the money for the

parapsycolocial/paranormal work, so if there is anybody who doesn't believe

that the Soviets have been playing in that business, does not understand

what they are doing. We have been in contact, and as a rnatter of f~ct for th

my knonewledge, we had on the platform at TREAT-IV in Atlanta, we had on

the platform simultaneously the president of Psi Tec, Ed Dames, and the

president of a Soviet enterprise, civilian enterprise headed by Ivan Sokolov,

who does the same thing in the Soviet Union, I think thats a first, OK? And

what we are trying to do together is to devise a project that will use the

capabilities of both organizations, and the one we are focusing on right at the

moment is finding and cleaning up the environmental hazards so that we

begin to work on some of the incredible environmental problems that exist

in the Soviet Union, so we picked the environment, its benign, it doesn't get

this country upset or this government upset, it doesn't get their government

upset, its something that needs to be done and so we try to pick something

that its an absolutely benign topic so that everyone can support it forward, I

don't know if that answers all of your questions, but it gives you a little bit

of a ramble. Yes, mam.

(Q on UFOs). We got ten years of data that's stacked up, that we kept in the

closet for many of the same reasons that a lot of, well, there are people who

are just barely now holding up there hands and saying, yes, I think I believe

in one those, at least publicly, there is about ten years of data that we got

stacked up on the UFO phenomenon, that's the good news; the bad news is

that its not all in the kind of order that it needs to be, so it needs to be gone

through it, sort it, begin to analyze it, the problem with that of course it costs

money and money doesn't grow everywhere for such projects, so somebodys

got to be interested in doing that but a lot of it exists, yes?

(Q on Sunspots interference with RV) I don't know, he wants to know

whether sunspots would impact or affect the ability of the remote viewer to

do the RV job, the reason I hesitate is because I never even thought about it,

now what I have thought about or those areas where we begin to get what

appear to be interference and appear to be counter measures and trying to

sort that setout and make sense of it. Now, what I haven't thought about it is

whether that was a natural occurring phenomena or an intentionality on

someone else's part who is in fact trying to interfere or in effect jam our own

ability to access, so the answer is I don't know, it would be a very nice

research project.

(Q about your agency, which he reacts to, Psi Tech) Yes, we can talk about

that. (Whether Psi Tech has been contacted to work on counter measures)

No.

(Q on tracking of UFOs) Earth, Mars.

(Q about a rumor circulating on the Roswell crash). No, stop that, please stop

that rumor, first of all Ed (Darnes) has not looked at Roswell, OK? He has not

looked at Roswell, now there was a thought that he would like to, and that

has been blown from the thought that I'd like to look at it to the thought

that, you know, and Ed went uuuuuuh, out of site, mean, it followed a UFO

cunre, OK, so kill that rumor. Way back in the corner.

(Q on Mars machinery). Its moving, the machinery is moving, so I dont know,

if its from a leftover civilization its got a long-live battery, its better than

any of the dolls we put out on Christmas, I tell you, OK?

(Q on more of the same). Yeah, its a structure, that's what I say, there are

structures on the surface, and incidentally I don't want to take thunder away

from any tomorrow, because you are going to get a chit-chat about that

tomorrow and I don't want to trail on somedoby else's toes, all I that I am

saying is that there are structures on top, there are structures underneath,

there are machines on top ahhhh I got a UFO!!! (Laughter) Zooong and

another alien hits the dust. OK, we need to warp this in short order.

(Q on whether viewers need to be in trance). All the viewers that we chosen

so far are known quantities, there are all people that I know personally, and

thats very important because it goes back to that pitch that I made or that

notion that I made on what RV was not in the beginning, and I cannot afford

to have anybody that does not have absolute total integrity and absolute

total that I can totally trust, so I demand total integrity, totally integrative

person, because I don't want this thing done in a way that will in any shape,

form or fashion be construed as being outside the limits of normal conduct,

so they are chosen very carefully. The second thing is, do they go into a

trance? Well, I think mentioned we measured some of them and they are in

a Theta brain wave state. OK, one more.

(Q on crop circles). No, only because, you know, we are a for profit

organization, Psi Tech is a for profit organization, OK? and if somebody would

like to have the crop circles looked at, we would be more than happy to look

at crop circles. Now there has been some very casual looking, you know, just

to kind of test what it was and what was going on, and so there is some

minor inforrnation, but we have not really done that as a process. OK, let me

say in conclusion, I think I want to burn that ta back there because I am not

sure that I want any of this on tape. (End of tape)